From: Zhao Zhili <quinkblack@foxmail.com> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 0/1] avutil/error: Provide better feedback about unknown error codes Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 19:16:58 +0800 Message-ID: <tencent_31B79F1BABC34EB870CD2D569AF140639A08@qq.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <e16a94ab-5f61-0d89-3e57-968aa7455f82@passwd.hu> > On Jul 18, 2024, at 17:26, Marton Balint <cus@passwd.hu> wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Jul 2024, Andrew Sayers wrote: > >> I'm having trouble managing this conversation. On one hand, you've brought up >> several important details that would need to be included in a new patch. >> On the other hand, I'm pretty sure we're talking past each other on the big >> problems, and need to start over. So let's fork the discussion. >> >> # First, let's haggle over some details >> >> The patch below fixes a number of small issues brought up by your comments... >> >> Error numbers are always expressed in the code as either uppercase hex numbers >> or FourCCs (or ThreeCCs, but you get the point). This patch prints error codes >> as hex, which is no less unintelligible for ordinary users, might make problems >> easier to find on Google, and will sometimes make them easier to grep for. >> >> Having said that, this patch prints non-negative numbers in decimal, >> because all bets are off if that manages to happen. >> >> A developer could create an error code that just happens to be valid ASCII. >> In that situation, the previous patch would have printed something like >> "Unrecognised error code \"~!X\"" occurred", which is worse than the current >> behaviour. This patch includes both (hex) number and name in those messages. >> >> This patch adds "please report this bug" for all unknown error messages. >> I'll cover the reasoning below, but the relevant detail is that the previous >> patch just gave users a different heiroglyphic before abandoning them. >> >> # Second, let's talk about the big picture >> >> Consider the following scenario: >> >> 1. a new developer adds some code to FFmpeg that calls an existing function >> 2. it turns out that function sometimes calls another function that >> returns a variety of internal error codes (FFERROR_REDO among others) >> 3. their testing uncovers a situation that intermittently returns an unknown >> error number, but they don't notice there are two different numbers >> 4. they spend a lot of time tracking down an error message based on a random >> number, and eventually fix "the" bug (actually one of two intermittent bugs) >> 5. the review doesn't catch the other bug, and the new code goes live >> 6. a user trips over the other bug and sees "Error number <number> occurred" >> 7. the user wastes a lot of time trying to work out what they did wrong, >> badmouthing FFmpeg to anyone who will listen as they do >> 8. they eventually catch the attention of a developer >> 9. that developer spends a lot of time bisecting the bug >> 10. the new developer is expected to fix this patch, and feels like they're >> to blame for the whole situation >> >> An error message like "Unrecognised error code \"REDO\" occurred, please report >> this bug" would give the newbie a fighting chance to catch both bugs at step 3, >> would make step 4 much shorter, and would optimise steps 7-10 to almost nothing. >> >> Catching this in a fate test would involve checking for an unknown function >> returning an unknown number that gets reused in a context it's subtly >> inappropriate for. I have no idea where to begin with that, and anyway it >> wouldn't help a developer in the process of tracking down an intermittent bug. > > The fate test should be added for checking that all ffmpeg-specific errors (defined with AVERROR_ prefix in error.h) has a textual representation. That does not help the FFERROR_REDO case, but it does help if somebody adds a new AVERROR_xxx constant but forget to add the text counterpart for it. > >> >> As mentioned above, the v2 patch adds "please report this bug" in a few places. >> Any negative error code can be valid, but returning a raw error number is always >> a bug, so it's all the same to users - if they see this message, they're not >> expected to fix it themselves, they're expected to let us know. > > It is not necessarily a bug though. AVERROR values can be based on any system errno, and not all errno-s used by system libraries necessarily are supported by the platform strerrro_r() or our drop-in replacement if > that is not available. > > I still feel like you are adding a lot of code for questionable benefit, so I suggest the following simple change: > > diff --git a/libavutil/error.c b/libavutil/error.c > index 90bab7b9d3..f78c4b35b4 100644 > --- a/libavutil/error.c > +++ b/libavutil/error.c > @@ -20,6 +20,7 @@ > #define _XOPEN_SOURCE 600 /* XSI-compliant version of strerror_r */ > #include <stdio.h> > #include <string.h> > +#include "avutil.h" > #include "config.h" > #include "avstring.h" > #include "error.h" > @@ -126,7 +127,7 @@ int av_strerror(int errnum, char *errbuf, size_t errbuf_size) > ret = -1; > #endif > if (ret < 0) > - snprintf(errbuf, errbuf_size, "Error number %d occurred", errnum); > + snprintf(errbuf, errbuf_size, "Error number %d (%s) occurred", errnum, av_fourcc2str(-errnum)); > } > > return ret; I like this version. > > > Regards, > Marton > _______________________________________________ > ffmpeg-devel mailing list > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org > https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel > > To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email > ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-07-18 11:18 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2024-07-15 15:13 [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] " Andrew Sayers 2024-07-15 15:45 ` Marton Balint 2024-07-15 16:13 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-07-15 23:01 ` Marton Balint 2024-07-16 11:13 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 0/1] " Andrew Sayers 2024-07-16 11:13 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC PATCH v2] " Andrew Sayers 2024-07-17 21:06 ` Michael Niedermayer 2024-07-18 9:26 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC PATCH v2 0/1] " Marton Balint 2024-07-18 10:46 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 0/3] Protect against undocumented " Andrew Sayers 2024-07-18 10:46 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 1/3] avutil/utils: Allow "!" in FourCCs Andrew Sayers 2024-07-18 15:42 ` Paul B Mahol 2024-07-18 10:46 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 2/3] avutil/error: Provide better feedback about unknown error codes Andrew Sayers 2024-07-18 10:46 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 3/3] tests/fate/source-check: Check for AVERROR codes without error strings Andrew Sayers 2024-07-18 11:16 ` Zhao Zhili [this message] 2024-07-17 6:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] avutil/error: Provide better feedback about unknown error codes Anton Khirnov
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