From: "Tomas Härdin" <git@haerdin.se>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] What is FFmpeg and what should it be
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2023 13:38:53 +0200
Message-ID: <e78f3d20bb6eb2b8465e76601aecae8cf0c1a46e.camel@haerdin.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZMZf4wqwbOhSyO18@phare.normalesup.org>
sön 2023-07-30 klockan 15:04 +0200 skrev Nicolas George:
> Michael's code seems pretty self-contained to me.
>
> And once again:
>
> *** IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE COMPLETE TO BE USEFUL. ***
I thought of another thing that bears mentioning: Michael has expressed
interest in implementing DAB. This carries with it two problems:
* Each DAB ensemble is an MPEG-TS stream
* There can be more than one ensemble on air
The first means mere demodulation is not enough - MPEG-TS must also be
implemented somehow. This likely means a dependency on lavf, assuming
we are not so insane as to have two independent MPEG-TS
implementations. There might also be an impedance mismatch due to lavf
pulling bytes from avio. There's no way to "push" bytes to a demuxer.
Synchronization may be an issue, though I admit I'm not 100% sure here.
Perhaps the device can pretend to be a protocol, entailing even tighter
coupling with lavf? Also I don't think registering protocols from
outside is allowed.
The second means that if such a DAB device is to work similar to the FM
demodulator handling multiple stations, then somehow multiple MPEG-TS
streams have to be dealt with. AFAIK lavd cannot do this. Merging MPEG-
TS streams might be tempting, but is not guaranteed to work I think.
I still don't understand why this must live in lavd rather than having
a separate program that does this and does it well. There is useful DSP
code in libav* that can then be motivated breaking out into a separate
library.
/Tomas
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Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-07-22 19:29 [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 1/6] configure: libavradio support Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-22 19:29 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/6] avutil/log: Add AV_CLASS_CATEGORY_RADIO_INPUT Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-22 20:30 ` Paul B Mahol
2023-07-22 19:29 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 3/6] avformat: add support for demuxers/inputs from avradio Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-22 20:35 ` Paul B Mahol
2023-07-22 19:29 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 4/6] avdevice/utils: add test for AV_CLASS_CATEGORY_RADIO_INPUT Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-22 19:29 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 5/6] fftools: avradio support Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-22 21:39 ` Lynne
2023-07-23 15:23 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-23 18:49 ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-23 19:01 ` James Almer
2023-07-23 22:56 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-24 8:19 ` Nicolas George
2023-07-24 15:57 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-24 22:30 ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-25 14:17 ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-24 20:19 ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-25 9:37 ` Nicolas George
2023-07-26 10:37 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-27 13:05 ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-27 18:36 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-27 18:48 ` Nicolas George
[not found] ` <CC2992B9-B047-4724-8DE5-01C02CBE31FD@cosmin.at>
2023-08-01 19:51 ` Cosmin Stejerean
2023-08-01 20:06 ` Paul B Mahol
2023-08-02 12:46 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-02 13:00 ` Paul B Mahol
2023-08-02 13:01 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-24 8:13 ` Nicolas George
2023-07-24 20:22 ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-25 9:33 ` Nicolas George
2023-07-25 9:51 ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-07-25 9:56 ` Nicolas George
2023-07-25 10:16 ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-07-25 13:55 ` Nicolas George
2023-07-25 14:37 ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-07-27 17:56 ` Nicolas George
2023-07-28 11:07 ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-07-30 13:04 ` [FFmpeg-devel] What is FFmpeg and what should it be Nicolas George
2023-07-30 17:07 ` Andrey Turkin
2023-07-30 18:29 ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-07-30 18:54 ` Nicolas George
2023-08-01 7:48 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2023-07-31 13:56 ` Tomas Härdin
2023-08-03 13:25 ` Nicolas George
2023-08-03 20:50 ` Tomas Härdin
2023-08-02 1:44 ` Vittorio Giovara
2023-08-02 12:55 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-02 12:59 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-08-02 14:12 ` Brad Isbell
2023-08-02 14:19 ` Nicolas George
2023-08-02 14:26 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-02 14:30 ` Nicolas George
[not found] ` <A3B35B92-8333-4637-B4AA-FA9D9750E784@cosmin.at>
2023-08-02 15:46 ` Cosmin Stejerean
2023-08-03 15:40 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-02 14:20 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-02 14:44 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-08-03 17:45 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-03 18:24 ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-08-03 19:25 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-03 20:04 ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-08-04 17:09 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-04 17:35 ` Nicolas George
2023-08-04 23:17 ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-08-05 18:55 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-05 19:17 ` Paul B Mahol
2023-08-05 23:32 ` Vittorio Giovara
2023-08-06 8:28 ` Tomas Härdin
2023-08-06 19:53 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-07 15:39 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2023-08-08 15:22 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-08 15:37 ` Paul B Mahol
2023-08-08 18:53 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2023-08-09 15:59 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-09 16:24 ` Paul B Mahol
2023-08-10 12:39 ` Nicolas George
2023-08-10 14:58 ` Vittorio Giovara
2023-08-12 17:12 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-10 15:01 ` James Almer
2023-08-10 15:43 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-08-10 18:39 ` Tomas Härdin
2023-08-03 11:38 ` Tomas Härdin [this message]
2023-08-03 13:29 ` Nicolas George
2023-07-25 12:02 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 5/6] fftools: avradio support Tomas Härdin
2023-07-22 19:29 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 6/6] tools/uncoded_frame: " Michael Niedermayer
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