On 21/01/2025 21:04, Niklas Haas wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 14:39:29 -0600 Marth64 wrote: >> Hello, in the context of a GA member, >> >> I think there is general interest in modernizing technical tooling >> specifically regarding ML/patch workflow vs. integrated git solution. >> Both have their merits. I think what we have today is optimized for >> some but cumbersome for many. Like shopping for a drill, it is good to >> step back from time to time and ensure we have the right tools. >> >> I think the problem statement of productivity being impacted from >> outgrowing the current tooling is different from who is hosting it. >> >> These are some options I noticed interest in (in no particular order): >> - Forgejo >> - GitLab >> - Mailing List/Patch Workflow (current solution) > > Since our last discussion at VDD, I have come to prefer Forgejo over GitLab > and would be in favor of hosting an instance on ffmpeg.org. > > What are the current barriers to doing this. Michael, since you said that you > are in favor iff the community agrees with it, should we start a GA vote on > the matter? > > Can Timo set it up and maintain it for us? If not, I can also volunteer myself > to do it. > >> >> If we evaluate this as choosing a software appliance and put aside >> "who is the host" I think we can have a good discussion. There could >> be value in coming to consensus on one step, then moving on to the >> next. >> >> The goal is not to spin around on which tool is better but I am wondering, >> - What other options would the community consider and any relevant pros/cons? > > One pro about ForgeJo is that unlike most of its competitors, it is a community > run project with a democratic governance model, a high degree of transparency > on infrastructure and process, and a commitment to fully open source software > (GPLv3+). > > This gives me high hopes that it will be a more stable and reliable platform > than its competitors which seem prone to rug-pulls and feature upselling by > their profit-motivated centralized leadership structures. > >> - What are the next steps to make a path forward on this topic such as a vote? >> - What are the blockers and how can they be overcome? >> - If you feel very strongly about a particular tool that is not well >> received, what about it do you like and are there accommodations that >> can be made from the other options? >> >> Wishing for a healthy discussion. Normally, I would rather we switch instantly from ML to whatever we pick. But with so many wishing to test working with both systems for a transitional period of time, I think there's a viable path unlike previous discussions, and the only barrier is simply hosting. I did volunteer to admin a Forgejo instance during VDD, and if there's agreement to setup an instance we can play around with, whether it be on ffmpeg.org or on my VPS, I'd be happy to set one up and give people access. If the tests go fine, we could direct new users to register and submit patches on the platform. Email users could subscribe to receive notifications and respond, even if full reviews purely over email would not be possible.