[FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Anton Khirnov]

Hi all,
as discussed at the dev meeting at VDD, we need to have a series of
votes, the first of which concerns defining when is the GA voter list to
be updated.

As the previous attempt to vote on this was hampered by email delivery
issues, and also criticized due to inadequate advance announcement, the
vote was closed and we are going to try again.

This time, to avoid any confusion, let me clearly state that this is a
declaration of intent to initiate a GA vote next Monday (2023-10-30),
unless there are substantial objections.

The vote question will be:
   How do we update the list of active members of the general assembly?

Proposed possibilities so far are:
* twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July)
  (suggested at VDD)
* before each vote
  (suggested at VDD)
* never (keep the 2020 version)
  (suggested at VDD)
* keep everyone who had vote rights but add active developers each jan/july
  (suggested by Michael on the ML)

Feel welcome to propose additional possibilities until Friday
2023-10-27.

Other constructive comments also welcome.

-- 
Anton Khirnov
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel]

Hi,

Am 24.10.23 um 23:15 schrieb Anton Khirnov:
> Hi all,
> as discussed at the dev meeting at VDD, we need to have a series of
> votes, the first of which concerns defining when is the GA voter list to
> be updated.
> 
> As the previous attempt to vote on this was hampered by email delivery
> issues, and also criticized due to inadequate advance announcement, the
> vote was closed and we are going to try again.
> 
> This time, to avoid any confusion, let me clearly state that this is a
> declaration of intent to initiate a GA vote next Monday (2023-10-30),
> unless there are substantial objections.
> 
> The vote question will be:
>     How do we update the list of active members of the general assembly?
> 
> Proposed possibilities so far are:
> * twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July)
>    (suggested at VDD)
> * before each vote
>    (suggested at VDD)
> * never (keep the 2020 version)
>    (suggested at VDD)
> * keep everyone who had vote rights but add active developers each jan/july
>    (suggested by Michael on the ML)
> 
> Feel welcome to propose additional possibilities until Friday
> 2023-10-27.
> 
> Other constructive comments also welcome.
> 

To test the voting beforehand this time, I created a test vote with a fake-GA 
member list. All of the following people should have received a corresponding 
mail. If you are part of this list, but did not receive an email, check your 
spam folder for the sender: ffmpeg.voting@mail.de. Please comment if you didn't 
get the mail.

The list is as follows:

andreas.rheinhardt@gmail.com
andriy.gelman@gmail.com
anton@khirnov.net
barryjzhao@tencent.com
ceffmpeg@gmail.com
cus@passwd.hu
dcnieho@gmail.com
derek.buitenhuis@gmail.com
dev@lynne.ee
devin.heitmueller@ltnglobal.com
epirat07@gmail.com
ffmpeg@gyani.pro
george@nsup.org
git@haasn.dev
haihao.xiang@intel.com
jamrial@gmail.com
jan.ekstrom@24i.com
jdek@itanimul.li
jianhua.wu@intel.com
lance.lmwang@gmail.com
leo.izen@gmail.com
linjie.justin.fu@gmail.com
liuqi05@kuaishou.com
martin@martin.st
michael@niedermayer.cc
nuomi2021@gmail.com
onemda@gmail.com
pal@palemieux.com
philipl@overt.org
pross@xvid.org
rcombs@rcombs.me
remi@remlab.net
shubhanshu.e01@gmail.com
softworkz@hotmail.com
stefasab@gmail.com
sw@jkqxz.net
thilo.borgmann@mail.de
timo@rothenpieler.org
u@pkh.me
vittorio.giovara@gmail.com
wenbin.chen@intel.com
yejun.guo@intel.com
zane@zanevaniperen.com
zhilizhao@tencent.com


-Thilo

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Rémi Denis-Courmont]

Hi,

I am not on the GA, but there are probably people with my locale on the GA. And it seems that the voting system hits a Perl syntax error if your browser locale is set to French.
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel]

Am 25.10.23 um 16:22 schrieb Rémi Denis-Courmont:
> Hi,
> 
> I am not on the GA, but there are probably people with my locale on the GA. And it seems that the voting system hits a Perl syntax error if your browser locale is set to French.

Can you send me a screenshot?

-Thilo
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel]

Am 25.10.23 um 16:23 schrieb Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel:
> Am 25.10.23 um 16:22 schrieb Rémi Denis-Courmont:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am not on the GA, but there are probably people with my locale on the GA. 
>> And it seems that the voting system hits a Perl syntax error if your browser 
>> locale is set to French.
> 
> Can you send me a screenshot?

Thanks. That appears to be a perl bug, Not going to touch that on the server atm.

So sorry, switch to english or use another device for now.

Thanks,
Thilo
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Rémi Denis-Courmont]

Hi,

Le 25 octobre 2023 18:52:31 GMT+03:00, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> a écrit :
>Am 25.10.23 um 16:23 schrieb Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel:
>> Am 25.10.23 um 16:22 schrieb Rémi Denis-Courmont:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I am not on the GA, but there are probably people with my locale on the GA. And it seems that the voting system hits a Perl syntax error if your browser locale is set to French.
>> 
>> Can you send me a screenshot?
>
>Thanks. That appears to be a perl bug, Not going to touch that on the server atm.
>
>So sorry, switch to english or use another device for now.

That seems to makes no difference (Firefox on Android). The language setting seem to only change the GUI, not whatever the Perl CGI uses (Accept-Language header?).

Objectively, it really does not matter insofar as we are dealing solely with non-GA members such as I. But if I were to play devil's advocate, you may be serving on a plate a pretext for some future dissatisfied voters to call the voting process invalid later, or worse, maybe even allege xenophobic discrimination (this does *not* represent my opinion and is *not* meant to constitute an actual serious accusation). Either way it might be a problem in the particular context of this project, especially in light of the abundance of formality from Anton's original post.

Not that I'd have a solution. Feel free to ignore.

>Thanks,
>Thilo
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel]

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 10:39 AM, Rémi Denis-Courmont <remi@remlab.net> wrote:
> 
> Objectively, it really does not matter insofar as we are dealing solely with non-GA members such as I. But if I were to play devil's advocate, you may be serving on a plate a pretext for some future dissatisfied voters to call the voting process invalid later, or worse, maybe even allege xenophobic discrimination (this does *not* represent my opinion and is *not* meant to constitute an actual serious accusation). Either way it might be a problem in the particular context of this project, especially in light of the abundance of formality from Anton's original post.

I don't think the intent is to leave this broken. This first test is intended to confirm the email deliverability though so perhaps we can focus on that for now. Then we can circle back on fixing the server side voting software to deal with different locales. 

- Cosmin


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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel]

Am 25.10.23 um 19:39 schrieb Rémi Denis-Courmont:
> Hi,
> 
> Le 25 octobre 2023 18:52:31 GMT+03:00, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> a écrit :
>> Am 25.10.23 um 16:23 schrieb Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel:
>>> Am 25.10.23 um 16:22 schrieb Rémi Denis-Courmont:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am not on the GA, but there are probably people with my locale on the GA. And it seems that the voting system hits a Perl syntax error if your browser locale is set to French.
>>>
>>> Can you send me a screenshot?
>>
>> Thanks. That appears to be a perl bug, Not going to touch that on the server atm.
>>
>> So sorry, switch to english or use another device for now.
> 
> That seems to makes no difference (Firefox on Android). The language setting seem to only change the GUI, not whatever the Perl CGI uses (Accept-Language header?).
> 
> Objectively, it really does not matter insofar as we are dealing solely with non-GA members such as I. But if I were to play devil's advocate, you may be serving on a plate a pretext for some future dissatisfied voters to call the voting process invalid later, or worse, maybe even allege xenophobic discrimination (this does *not* represent my opinion and is *not* meant to constitute an actual serious accusation). Either way it might be a problem in the particular context of this project, especially in light of the abundance of formality from Anton's original post.
> 
> Not that I'd have a solution. Feel free to ignore.

Not a perl "bug" but per-se but something changed about validity of my(my..., 
my...) constructs.

There is a patch for the CIVS source which is two years old [1]. That perl 
"update" seems to have happened after our last vote (where this issue was 
non-existant afaict) and today.

I'll try to find some time tomorrow to adapt the source on the server and let 
you know to retest your vote.

Should effect french, hungarian and italian.

-Thilo


[1] 
https://github.com/andrewcmyers/civs/commit/9578227a1b37c87437bfbf545e0595aa371cf621
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel]

Am 25.10.23 um 21:31 schrieb Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel:
> Am 25.10.23 um 19:39 schrieb Rémi Denis-Courmont:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Le 25 octobre 2023 18:52:31 GMT+03:00, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> a écrit :
>>> Am 25.10.23 um 16:23 schrieb Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel:
>>>> Am 25.10.23 um 16:22 schrieb Rémi Denis-Courmont:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not on the GA, but there are probably people with my locale on the GA. And it seems that the voting system hits a Perl syntax error if your browser locale is set to French.
>>>>
>>>> Can you send me a screenshot?
>>>
>>> Thanks. That appears to be a perl bug, Not going to touch that on the server atm.
>>>
>>> So sorry, switch to english or use another device for now.
>>
>> That seems to makes no difference (Firefox on Android). The language setting seem to only change the GUI, not whatever the Perl CGI uses (Accept-Language header?).
>>
>> Objectively, it really does not matter insofar as we are dealing solely with non-GA members such as I. But if I were to play devil's advocate, you may be serving on a plate a pretext for some future dissatisfied voters to call the voting process invalid later, or worse, maybe even allege xenophobic discrimination (this does *not* represent my opinion and is *not* meant to constitute an actual serious accusation). Either way it might be a problem in the particular context of this project, especially in light of the abundance of formality from Anton's original post.
>>
>> Not that I'd have a solution. Feel free to ignore.
> 
> Not a perl "bug" but per-se but something changed about validity of my(my..., my...) constructs.
> 
> There is a patch for the CIVS source which is two years old [1]. That perl "update" seems to have happened after our last vote (where this issue was non-existant afaict) and today.
> 
> I'll try to find some time tomorrow to adapt the source on the server and let you know to retest your vote.
> 
> Should effect french, hungarian and italian.

Works for Remi now, shall be fixed now.

Thanks,
Thilo

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Ridley Combs via ffmpeg-devel]

Received.

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 07:22, Rémi Denis-Courmont <remi@remlab.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am not on the GA, but there are probably people with my locale on the GA. And it seems that the voting system hits a Perl syntax error if your browser locale is set to French.
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Andreas Rheinhardt]

Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel:
> Hi,
> 
> Am 24.10.23 um 23:15 schrieb Anton Khirnov:
>> Hi all,
>> as discussed at the dev meeting at VDD, we need to have a series of
>> votes, the first of which concerns defining when is the GA voter list to
>> be updated.
>>
>> As the previous attempt to vote on this was hampered by email delivery
>> issues, and also criticized due to inadequate advance announcement, the
>> vote was closed and we are going to try again.
>>
>> This time, to avoid any confusion, let me clearly state that this is a
>> declaration of intent to initiate a GA vote next Monday (2023-10-30),
>> unless there are substantial objections.
>>
>> The vote question will be:
>>     How do we update the list of active members of the general assembly?
>>
>> Proposed possibilities so far are:
>> * twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July)
>>    (suggested at VDD)
>> * before each vote
>>    (suggested at VDD)
>> * never (keep the 2020 version)
>>    (suggested at VDD)
>> * keep everyone who had vote rights but add active developers each
>> jan/july
>>    (suggested by Michael on the ML)
>>
>> Feel welcome to propose additional possibilities until Friday
>> 2023-10-27.
>>
>> Other constructive comments also welcome.
>>
> 
> To test the voting beforehand this time, I created a test vote with a
> fake-GA member list. All of the following people should have received a
> corresponding mail. If you are part of this list, but did not receive an
> email, check your spam folder for the sender: ffmpeg.voting@mail.de.
> Please comment if you didn't get the mail.
> 
> The list is as follows:
> 
> andreas.rheinhardt@gmail.com

Please use my outlook mail address.

> andriy.gelman@gmail.com
> anton@khirnov.net
> barryjzhao@tencent.com
> ceffmpeg@gmail.com
> cus@passwd.hu
> dcnieho@gmail.com
> derek.buitenhuis@gmail.com
> dev@lynne.ee
> devin.heitmueller@ltnglobal.com
> epirat07@gmail.com
> ffmpeg@gyani.pro
> george@nsup.org
> git@haasn.dev
> haihao.xiang@intel.com
> jamrial@gmail.com
> jan.ekstrom@24i.com
> jdek@itanimul.li
> jianhua.wu@intel.com
> lance.lmwang@gmail.com
> leo.izen@gmail.com
> linjie.justin.fu@gmail.com
> liuqi05@kuaishou.com
> martin@martin.st
> michael@niedermayer.cc
> nuomi2021@gmail.com
> onemda@gmail.com
> pal@palemieux.com
> philipl@overt.org
> pross@xvid.org
> rcombs@rcombs.me
> remi@remlab.net
> shubhanshu.e01@gmail.com
> softworkz@hotmail.com
> stefasab@gmail.com
> sw@jkqxz.net
> thilo.borgmann@mail.de
> timo@rothenpieler.org
> u@pkh.me
> vittorio.giovara@gmail.com
> wenbin.chen@intel.com
> yejun.guo@intel.com
> zane@zanevaniperen.com
> zhilizhao@tencent.com
> 
> 

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel]

Am 26.10.23 um 12:57 schrieb Andreas Rheinhardt:
> Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Am 24.10.23 um 23:15 schrieb Anton Khirnov:
>>> Hi all,
>>> as discussed at the dev meeting at VDD, we need to have a series of
>>> votes, the first of which concerns defining when is the GA voter list to
>>> be updated.
>>>
>>> As the previous attempt to vote on this was hampered by email delivery
>>> issues, and also criticized due to inadequate advance announcement, the
>>> vote was closed and we are going to try again.
>>>
>>> This time, to avoid any confusion, let me clearly state that this is a
>>> declaration of intent to initiate a GA vote next Monday (2023-10-30),
>>> unless there are substantial objections.
>>>
>>> The vote question will be:
>>>      How do we update the list of active members of the general assembly?
>>>
>>> Proposed possibilities so far are:
>>> * twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July)
>>>     (suggested at VDD)
>>> * before each vote
>>>     (suggested at VDD)
>>> * never (keep the 2020 version)
>>>     (suggested at VDD)
>>> * keep everyone who had vote rights but add active developers each
>>> jan/july
>>>     (suggested by Michael on the ML)
>>>
>>> Feel welcome to propose additional possibilities until Friday
>>> 2023-10-27.
>>>
>>> Other constructive comments also welcome.
>>>
>>
>> To test the voting beforehand this time, I created a test vote with a
>> fake-GA member list. All of the following people should have received a
>> corresponding mail. If you are part of this list, but did not receive an
>> email, check your spam folder for the sender: ffmpeg.voting@mail.de.
>> Please comment if you didn't get the mail.
>>
>> The list is as follows:
>>
>> andreas.rheinhardt@gmail.com
> 
> Please use my outlook mail address.

I used what is given by tools/general_assembly.pl.
I think you just need to patch your .mailmap entry.


>> andriy.gelman@gmail.com
>> anton@khirnov.net
>> barryjzhao@tencent.com
>> ceffmpeg@gmail.com
>> cus@passwd.hu
>> dcnieho@gmail.com
>> derek.buitenhuis@gmail.com
>> dev@lynne.ee
>> devin.heitmueller@ltnglobal.com
>> epirat07@gmail.com
>> ffmpeg@gyani.pro
>> george@nsup.org
>> git@haasn.dev
>> haihao.xiang@intel.com
>> jamrial@gmail.com
>> jan.ekstrom@24i.com
>> jdek@itanimul.li
>> jianhua.wu@intel.com
>> lance.lmwang@gmail.com
>> leo.izen@gmail.com
>> linjie.justin.fu@gmail.com
>> liuqi05@kuaishou.com
>> martin@martin.st
>> michael@niedermayer.cc
>> nuomi2021@gmail.com
>> onemda@gmail.com
>> pal@palemieux.com
>> philipl@overt.org
>> pross@xvid.org
>> rcombs@rcombs.me
>> remi@remlab.net
>> shubhanshu.e01@gmail.com
>> softworkz@hotmail.com
>> stefasab@gmail.com
>> sw@jkqxz.net
>> thilo.borgmann@mail.de
>> timo@rothenpieler.org
>> u@pkh.me
>> vittorio.giovara@gmail.com
>> wenbin.chen@intel.com
>> yejun.guo@intel.com
>> zane@zanevaniperen.com
>> zhilizhao@tencent.com
>>
>>
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Derek Buitenhuis]

On 10/25/2023 2:14 PM, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> To test the voting beforehand this time, I created a test vote with a fake-GA member list. All of the following people should have received a corresponding mail. If you are part of this list, but did not receive an email, check your spam folder for the sender: ffmpeg.voting@mail.de. Please comment if you didn't get the mail.

Got it this time, unlike last time.

- Derek
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Vittorio Giovara]

On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 11:59 AM Derek Buitenhuis <
derek.buitenhuis@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/25/2023 2:14 PM, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> > To test the voting beforehand this time, I created a test vote with a
> fake-GA member list. All of the following people should have received a
> corresponding mail. If you are part of this list, but did not receive an
> email, check your spam folder for the sender: ffmpeg.voting@mail.de.
> Please comment if you didn't get the mail.
>
> Got it this time, unlike last time.
>

Got it too!
-- 
Vittorio
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Jan Ekström]

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 4:14 PM Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel
<ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Am 24.10.23 um 23:15 schrieb Anton Khirnov:
> > Hi all,
> > as discussed at the dev meeting at VDD, we need to have a series of
> > votes, the first of which concerns defining when is the GA voter list to
> > be updated.
> >
> > As the previous attempt to vote on this was hampered by email delivery
> > issues, and also criticized due to inadequate advance announcement, the
> > vote was closed and we are going to try again.
> >
> > This time, to avoid any confusion, let me clearly state that this is a
> > declaration of intent to initiate a GA vote next Monday (2023-10-30),
> > unless there are substantial objections.
> >
> > The vote question will be:
> >     How do we update the list of active members of the general assembly?
> >
> > Proposed possibilities so far are:
> > * twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July)
> >    (suggested at VDD)
> > * before each vote
> >    (suggested at VDD)
> > * never (keep the 2020 version)
> >    (suggested at VDD)
> > * keep everyone who had vote rights but add active developers each jan/july
> >    (suggested by Michael on the ML)
> >
> > Feel welcome to propose additional possibilities until Friday
> > 2023-10-27.
> >
> > Other constructive comments also welcome.
> >
>
> To test the voting beforehand this time, I created a test vote with a fake-GA
> member list. All of the following people should have received a corresponding
> mail. If you are part of this list, but did not receive an email, check your
> spam folder for the sender: ffmpeg.voting@mail.de. Please comment if you didn't
> get the mail.
>
> The list is as follows:
>
> andreas.rheinhardt@gmail.com
> andriy.gelman@gmail.com
> anton@khirnov.net
> barryjzhao@tencent.com
> ceffmpeg@gmail.com
> cus@passwd.hu
> dcnieho@gmail.com
> derek.buitenhuis@gmail.com
> dev@lynne.ee
> devin.heitmueller@ltnglobal.com
> epirat07@gmail.com
> ffmpeg@gyani.pro
> george@nsup.org
> git@haasn.dev
> haihao.xiang@intel.com
> jamrial@gmail.com
> jan.ekstrom@24i.com

I have received the e-mail this time, which is great. But it seems
like my worry about the mail map being the wrong way around was not
unfounded. This e-mail is not the "community member Jan" me, and
should never have any committer cases as I generally attempt to air
gap the two sides.

I'll try to post a patch today either inverting their order (which
hopefully outputs my community member e-mail), or - since this e-mail
is never supposed to apply to any committer cases - removing it.

Jan
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel]

Am 27.10.23 um 13:24 schrieb Jan Ekström:
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 4:14 PM Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel
> <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Am 24.10.23 um 23:15 schrieb Anton Khirnov:
>>> Hi all,
>>> as discussed at the dev meeting at VDD, we need to have a series of
>>> votes, the first of which concerns defining when is the GA voter list to
>>> be updated.
>>>
>>> As the previous attempt to vote on this was hampered by email delivery
>>> issues, and also criticized due to inadequate advance announcement, the
>>> vote was closed and we are going to try again.
>>>
>>> This time, to avoid any confusion, let me clearly state that this is a
>>> declaration of intent to initiate a GA vote next Monday (2023-10-30),
>>> unless there are substantial objections.
>>>
>>> The vote question will be:
>>>      How do we update the list of active members of the general assembly?
>>>
>>> Proposed possibilities so far are:
>>> * twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July)
>>>     (suggested at VDD)
>>> * before each vote
>>>     (suggested at VDD)
>>> * never (keep the 2020 version)
>>>     (suggested at VDD)
>>> * keep everyone who had vote rights but add active developers each jan/july
>>>     (suggested by Michael on the ML)
>>>
>>> Feel welcome to propose additional possibilities until Friday
>>> 2023-10-27.
>>>
>>> Other constructive comments also welcome.
>>>
>>
>> To test the voting beforehand this time, I created a test vote with a fake-GA
>> member list. All of the following people should have received a corresponding
>> mail. If you are part of this list, but did not receive an email, check your
>> spam folder for the sender: ffmpeg.voting@mail.de. Please comment if you didn't
>> get the mail.
>>
>> The list is as follows:
>>
>> andreas.rheinhardt@gmail.com
>> andriy.gelman@gmail.com
>> anton@khirnov.net
>> barryjzhao@tencent.com
>> ceffmpeg@gmail.com
>> cus@passwd.hu
>> dcnieho@gmail.com
>> derek.buitenhuis@gmail.com
>> dev@lynne.ee
>> devin.heitmueller@ltnglobal.com
>> epirat07@gmail.com
>> ffmpeg@gyani.pro
>> george@nsup.org
>> git@haasn.dev
>> haihao.xiang@intel.com
>> jamrial@gmail.com
>> jan.ekstrom@24i.com
> 
> I have received the e-mail this time, which is great. But it seems
> like my worry about the mail map being the wrong way around was not
> unfounded. This e-mail is not the "community member Jan" me, and
> should never have any committer cases as I generally attempt to air
> gap the two sides.
> 
> I'll try to post a patch today either inverting their order (which
> hopefully outputs my community member e-mail), or - since this e-mail
> is never supposed to apply to any committer cases - removing it.

Andreas might be in the same boat. If necessary, we could have a seperate 
.mailmap_voting file only used in the GA script. Patches welcome, I guess.

-Thilo
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel]

> On Oct 27, 2023, at 5:39 AM, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
> 
>> I'll try to post a patch today either inverting their order (which
>> hopefully outputs my community member e-mail), or - since this e-mail
>> is never supposed to apply to any committer cases - removing it.
> 
> Andreas might be in the same boat. If necessary, we could have a seperate .mailmap_voting file only used in the GA script. Patches welcome, I guess.

I think the script works correctly. According to the mailmap documentation the order is supposed to be 

<proper@email.xx> <commit@email.xx>

I'd expect the first email in the mailmap to be the proper email to send things like GA votes to, whereas the second one can be one of potentially multiple other emails that commits could be under. So multiple second emails would be used to aggregate commits to a single proper email address to be used for GA purposes.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel]

> On Oct 27, 2023, at 5:39 AM, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
> 
>> I'll try to post a patch today either inverting their order (which
>> hopefully outputs my community member e-mail), or - since this e-mail
>> is never supposed to apply to any committer cases - removing it.
> 
> Andreas might be in the same boat. If necessary, we could have a seperate .mailmap_voting file only used in the GA script. Patches welcome, I guess.

I think the script works correctly. According to the mailmap documentation the order is supposed to be 

<proper@email.xx> <commit@email.xx>

I'd expect the first email in the mailmap to be the proper email to send things like GA votes to, whereas the second one can be one of potentially multiple other emails that commits could be under. So multiple second emails would be used to aggregate commits to a single proper email address to be used for GA purposes.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel]

Hi,

> To test the voting beforehand this time, I created a test vote with a fake-GA 
> member list. All of the following people should have received a corresponding 
> mail. If you are part of this list, but did not receive an email, check your 
> spam folder for the sender: ffmpeg.voting@mail.de. Please comment if you didn't 
> get the mail.
> 
> The list is as follows:
> 
> [...]

the language issue had been resolved and no further complains arrived.

Thus I ended the testvote and we should be good to go.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Michael Niedermayer]

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Hi Anton

first let me say, this looks much better setup than the previous attempt by jb

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 11:15:19PM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> Hi all,
> as discussed at the dev meeting at VDD, we need to have a series of
> votes, the first of which concerns defining when is the GA voter list to
> be updated.
> 
> As the previous attempt to vote on this was hampered by email delivery
> issues, and also criticized due to inadequate advance announcement, the
> vote was closed and we are going to try again.
> 
> This time, to avoid any confusion, let me clearly state that this is a
> declaration of intent to initiate a GA vote next Monday (2023-10-30),
> unless there are substantial objections.
> 
> The vote question will be:
>    How do we update the list of active members of the general assembly?
> 
> Proposed possibilities so far are:
> * twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July)
>   (suggested at VDD)
> * before each vote
>   (suggested at VDD)
> * never (keep the 2020 version)
>   (suggested at VDD)
> * keep everyone who had vote rights but add active developers each jan/july
>   (suggested by Michael on the ML)
> 
> Feel welcome to propose additional possibilities until Friday
> 2023-10-27.
> 
> Other constructive comments also welcome.

First i suggest s#jan/july#1st Jan & 1st July#

Second i suggest to pick a time too, like 0:00 UTC

Third, for future votes i suggest to lengthen the period of
proposing of additional possibilities. Here we all maybe have seen this already
but. If this was new than 2-3 days really is too short. That period needs
to include discussion and thinking for a person who might be working 8 hour
a day on something unrelated to FFmpeg.

There may be more but thats what comes to my mind ATM

thx

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Anton Khirnov]

Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-10-25 21:30:10)
> Hi Anton
> 
> first let me say, this looks much better setup than the previous attempt by jb
> 
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 11:15:19PM +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > as discussed at the dev meeting at VDD, we need to have a series of
> > votes, the first of which concerns defining when is the GA voter list to
> > be updated.
> > 
> > As the previous attempt to vote on this was hampered by email delivery
> > issues, and also criticized due to inadequate advance announcement, the
> > vote was closed and we are going to try again.
> > 
> > This time, to avoid any confusion, let me clearly state that this is a
> > declaration of intent to initiate a GA vote next Monday (2023-10-30),
> > unless there are substantial objections.
> > 
> > The vote question will be:
> >    How do we update the list of active members of the general assembly?
> > 
> > Proposed possibilities so far are:
> > * twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July)
> >   (suggested at VDD)
> > * before each vote
> >   (suggested at VDD)
> > * never (keep the 2020 version)
> >   (suggested at VDD)
> > * keep everyone who had vote rights but add active developers each jan/july
> >   (suggested by Michael on the ML)
> > 
> > Feel welcome to propose additional possibilities until Friday
> > 2023-10-27.
> > 
> > Other constructive comments also welcome.
> 
> First i suggest s#jan/july#1st Jan & 1st July#
> 
> Second i suggest to pick a time too, like 0:00 UTC

Both of these sound reasonable to me, I'll reword first and last
possibility to state it's 1st of that month 0:00 UTC.

> Third, for future votes i suggest to lengthen the period of
> proposing of additional possibilities. Here we all maybe have seen this already
> but. If this was new than 2-3 days really is too short. That period needs
> to include discussion and thinking for a person who might be working 8 hour
> a day on something unrelated to FFmpeg.

I agree in general that it would be good to have at least two weeks, but
in this case this has been proposed and discussed a month ago already.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Anton Khirnov]

It has also occurred to me that in case that the first or last option
wins, the lists would not get updated until January. That means we would
either need to postpone TC/CC elections until then, or vote using the
old lists, both of which seem suboptimal to me.

We could add wording to options 1 and 4, stating that the voter lists
will be exceptionally updated immediately after this vote. Or we could
keep them as they are, and add two new options with the exception
(though I fear so many options might confuse people).
Does anyone feel particularly strongly about either of those?

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Anton Khirnov]

Hi all,
updating the answers according to received comments:

vote question (unchanged):
    How do we update the list of active members of the general assembly?

Available answers:
* twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July, 0:00 UTC);
  as an exception, the list will also be updated immediately after this
  vote
  (suggested at VDD, added time and the exceptional update clause)
* before each vote
  (suggested at VDD)
* never (keep the 2020 version)
  (suggested at VDD)
* keep everyone who had vote rights but add active developers
  each 1st Jan and 1st July, 0:00 UTC;
  as an exception, the list will also be updated immediately after this
  vote
  (suggested by Michael on the ML, clarified date and time, added the
  exceptional update clause)

If nobody has significant objections, we will go with the above for the
actual vote tomorrow.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf]

Hello,

On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 10:33, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> vote question (unchanged):
>     How do we update the list of active members of the general assembly?
>
> Available answers:
> * twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July, 0:00 UTC);
>   as an exception, the list will also be updated immediately after this
>   vote
>   (suggested at VDD, added time and the exceptional update clause)
> * before each vote
>   (suggested at VDD)
> * never (keep the 2020 version)
>   (suggested at VDD)
> * keep everyone who had vote rights but add active developers
>   each 1st Jan and 1st July, 0:00 UTC;
>   as an exception, the list will also be updated immediately after this
>   vote
>   (suggested by Michael on the ML, clarified date and time, added the
>   exceptional update clause)
>
> If nobody has significant objections, we will go with the above for the
> actual vote tomorrow.

This has been launched.
You should be able to vote until Sunday 5th Nov, 23:59

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel]

Am 30.10.23 um 09:18 schrieb Jean-Baptiste Kempf:
> Hello,
> 
> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 10:33, Anton Khirnov wrote:
>> vote question (unchanged):
>>      How do we update the list of active members of the general assembly?
>>
>> Available answers:
>> * twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July, 0:00 UTC);
>>    as an exception, the list will also be updated immediately after this
>>    vote
>>    (suggested at VDD, added time and the exceptional update clause)
>> * before each vote
>>    (suggested at VDD)
>> * never (keep the 2020 version)
>>    (suggested at VDD)
>> * keep everyone who had vote rights but add active developers
>>    each 1st Jan and 1st July, 0:00 UTC;
>>    as an exception, the list will also be updated immediately after this
>>    vote
>>    (suggested by Michael on the ML, clarified date and time, added the
>>    exceptional update clause)
>>
>> If nobody has significant objections, we will go with the above for the
>> actual vote tomorrow.
> 
> This has been launched.
> You should be able to vote until Sunday 5th Nov, 23:59

Sure you did not just create the vote but started it already as well?
I should be part of the GA but didn't get a mail...

-Thilo

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf]

On Mon, 30 Oct 2023, at 11:33, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> Am 30.10.23 um 09:18 schrieb Jean-Baptiste Kempf:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 10:33, Anton Khirnov wrote:
>>> vote question (unchanged):
>>>      How do we update the list of active members of the general assembly?
>>>
>>> Available answers:
>>> * twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July, 0:00 UTC);
>>>    as an exception, the list will also be updated immediately after this
>>>    vote
>>>    (suggested at VDD, added time and the exceptional update clause)
>>> * before each vote
>>>    (suggested at VDD)
>>> * never (keep the 2020 version)
>>>    (suggested at VDD)
>>> * keep everyone who had vote rights but add active developers
>>>    each 1st Jan and 1st July, 0:00 UTC;
>>>    as an exception, the list will also be updated immediately after this
>>>    vote
>>>    (suggested by Michael on the ML, clarified date and time, added the
>>>    exceptional update clause)
>>>
>>> If nobody has significant objections, we will go with the above for the
>>> actual vote tomorrow.
>> 
>> This has been launched.
>> You should be able to vote until Sunday 5th Nov, 23:59
>
> Sure you did not just create the vote but started it already as well?
> I should be part of the GA but didn't get a mail...

I'm quite sure, since some people have already started voting.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel]

Am 30.10.23 um 11:50 schrieb Jean-Baptiste Kempf:
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023, at 11:33, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
>> Am 30.10.23 um 09:18 schrieb Jean-Baptiste Kempf:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 10:33, Anton Khirnov wrote:
>>>> vote question (unchanged):
>>>>       How do we update the list of active members of the general assembly?
>>>>
>>>> Available answers:
>>>> * twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July, 0:00 UTC);
>>>>     as an exception, the list will also be updated immediately after this
>>>>     vote
>>>>     (suggested at VDD, added time and the exceptional update clause)
>>>> * before each vote
>>>>     (suggested at VDD)
>>>> * never (keep the 2020 version)
>>>>     (suggested at VDD)
>>>> * keep everyone who had vote rights but add active developers
>>>>     each 1st Jan and 1st July, 0:00 UTC;
>>>>     as an exception, the list will also be updated immediately after this
>>>>     vote
>>>>     (suggested by Michael on the ML, clarified date and time, added the
>>>>     exceptional update clause)
>>>>
>>>> If nobody has significant objections, we will go with the above for the
>>>> actual vote tomorrow.
>>>
>>> This has been launched.
>>> You should be able to vote until Sunday 5th Nov, 23:59
>>
>> Sure you did not just create the vote but started it already as well?
>> I should be part of the GA but didn't get a mail...
> 
> I'm quite sure, since some people have already started voting.

I received the mail now at 11:55, thx.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Michael Niedermayer]

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On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 11:50:26AM +0100, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023, at 11:33, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> > Am 30.10.23 um 09:18 schrieb Jean-Baptiste Kempf:
> >> Hello,
> >> 
> >> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023, at 10:33, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> >>> vote question (unchanged):
> >>>      How do we update the list of active members of the general assembly?
> >>>
> >>> Available answers:
> >>> * twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July, 0:00 UTC);
> >>>    as an exception, the list will also be updated immediately after this
> >>>    vote
> >>>    (suggested at VDD, added time and the exceptional update clause)
> >>> * before each vote
> >>>    (suggested at VDD)
> >>> * never (keep the 2020 version)
> >>>    (suggested at VDD)
> >>> * keep everyone who had vote rights but add active developers
> >>>    each 1st Jan and 1st July, 0:00 UTC;
> >>>    as an exception, the list will also be updated immediately after this
> >>>    vote
> >>>    (suggested by Michael on the ML, clarified date and time, added the
> >>>    exceptional update clause)
> >>>
> >>> If nobody has significant objections, we will go with the above for the
> >>> actual vote tomorrow.
> >> 
> >> This has been launched.
> >> You should be able to vote until Sunday 5th Nov, 23:59
> >
> > Sure you did not just create the vote but started it already as well?
> > I should be part of the GA but didn't get a mail...
> 
> I'm quite sure, since some people have already started voting.

Please provide the list of email addresses OR peoples names who
should have received a mail for voting

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf]

Hey,

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, at 18:19, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> Please provide the list of email addresses OR peoples names who
> should have received a mail for voting

I don't think listing emails on this mailing list is a good idea, or even legal (GDPR, for example).
And the old lists (+ the scripts) only give emails, and not names.

So I'll need to remap that manually to have the list of names. It will take a bit of time, but I'll do it.

jb

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Gerion Entrup via ffmpeg-devel]

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Am Mittwoch, 1. November 2023, 23:07:16 CET schrieb Jean-Baptiste Kempf:
> Hey,
> 
> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, at 18:19, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > Please provide the list of email addresses OR peoples names who
> > should have received a mail for voting
> 
> I don't think listing emails on this mailing list is a good idea, or even legal (GDPR, for example).

Not sure how similar the two lists are but
http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2023-October/316062.html (same
thread) already contains exactly such a list.


Best,
Gerion

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Michael Niedermayer]

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On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 11:07:16PM +0100, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, at 18:19, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > Please provide the list of email addresses OR peoples names who
> > should have received a mail for voting
> 
> I don't think listing emails on this mailing list is a good idea, or even legal (GDPR, for example).
> And the old lists (+ the scripts) only give emails, and not names.
> 
> So I'll need to remap that manually to have the list of names.

> It will take a bit of time, but I'll do it.

How many people are on the list ?
and how long will it take you ?

thx

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf]

Yo,

On Fri, 3 Nov 2023, at 18:33, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
>> It will take a bit of time, but I'll do it.

Aman
Andreas
Andriy 
Anton
Lynne
Baptiste
Jun Zhao
Lauri Kasanen
Carl
Marton
Dale
Derek
Diego
Gyan
foo86
Gautam Ramakrishnan
Nicolas
hwrenx
James
Jeeb
Jerome Borsboom
Josh
Kaustubh Raste
Karthick Jeyapal
Limin Wang
Linjie Fu
Steven Liu
Li Zhong
Martin Storsjo
Martin Vignali
Matthieu Bouron
Michael
Jacob Trimble
wm4
Paul
Philip
Peter
Ruiling Song
John Stebbins
Mark
Thilo
Timo
Ting Fu
Tobias
Clément
Vishwanath Dixit
Vittorio
Guo Yejun
Shiyou Yin
Zane
Zhao

> and how long will it take you ?

Sorry, I got quite sick, like many people who came from Demuxed.
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Michael Niedermayer]

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On Sat, Nov 04, 2023 at 11:36:08PM +0100, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote:
> Yo,
> 
> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023, at 18:33, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> >> It will take a bit of time, but I'll do it.
> 
> Aman
> Andreas
> Andriy 
> Anton
> Lynne
> Baptiste
> Jun Zhao
> Lauri Kasanen
> Carl
> Marton
> Dale
> Derek
> Diego
> Gyan
> foo86
> Gautam Ramakrishnan
> Nicolas
> hwrenx
> James
> Jeeb
> Jerome Borsboom
> Josh
> Kaustubh Raste
> Karthick Jeyapal
> Limin Wang
> Linjie Fu
> Steven Liu
> Li Zhong
> Martin Storsjo
> Martin Vignali
> Matthieu Bouron
> Michael
> Jacob Trimble
> wm4
> Paul
> Philip
> Peter
> Ruiling Song
> John Stebbins
> Mark
> Thilo
> Timo
> Ting Fu
> Tobias
> Clément
> Vishwanath Dixit
> Vittorio
> Guo Yejun
> Shiyou Yin
> Zane
> Zhao

Thanks

Is it correct, that this is the GA from 2020 that also voted for the TC & CC ?


> 
> > and how long will it take you ?
> 
> Sorry, I got quite sick, like many people who came from Demuxed.

damn, thats not good


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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Michael Niedermayer]

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On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 10:33:12AM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> Hi all,
> updating the answers according to received comments:
> 
> vote question (unchanged):
>     How do we update the list of active members of the general assembly?
> 
> Available answers:
> * twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July, 0:00 UTC);
>   as an exception, the list will also be updated immediately after this
>   vote
>   (suggested at VDD, added time and the exceptional update clause)

> * before each vote
>   (suggested at VDD)

This is not well defined
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well-defined_expression

"before each vote" is not a single unique point in time

First what is meant by "vote", theres a annoucement of some
intend to make a vote, there would be a discussion, there could
be a 2nd annoucement theres a period where people can propose
new options. Then the vote start is announced at some point
the actual vote start then also happens.

So we have many reference points
then "before" is everything before, even a year is "before"

and exactly at the time when the vote actually starts is impossible
because at that time the list must already be known and entered
into the vote system

I guess this doesnt matter if the option doesnt win ...

thx

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Anton Khirnov]

Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-11-02 20:53:46)
> On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 10:33:12AM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > updating the answers according to received comments:
> > 
> > vote question (unchanged):
> >     How do we update the list of active members of the general assembly?
> > 
> > Available answers:
> > * twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July, 0:00 UTC);
> >   as an exception, the list will also be updated immediately after this
> >   vote
> >   (suggested at VDD, added time and the exceptional update clause)
> 
> > * before each vote
> >   (suggested at VDD)
> 
> This is not well defined
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well-defined_expression
> 
> "before each vote" is not a single unique point in time
> 
> First what is meant by "vote", theres a annoucement of some
> intend to make a vote, there would be a discussion, there could
> be a 2nd annoucement theres a period where people can propose
> new options. Then the vote start is announced at some point
> the actual vote start then also happens.
> 
> So we have many reference points
> then "before" is everything before, even a year is "before"
> 
> and exactly at the time when the vote actually starts is impossible
> because at that time the list must already be known and entered
> into the vote system
> 
> I guess this doesnt matter if the option doesnt win ...

It seems obvious to me that the intent is "generate the list immediately
before the starting the vote". Since the script generating the voter
list has a granularity of one day, it does not matter at what precise
instant is the list generated, as long as it is on the same day as
starting the vote.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Michael Niedermayer]

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On Sat, Nov 04, 2023 at 06:58:11PM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-11-02 20:53:46)
> > On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 10:33:12AM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > > updating the answers according to received comments:
> > > 
> > > vote question (unchanged):
> > >     How do we update the list of active members of the general assembly?
> > > 
> > > Available answers:
> > > * twice a year (1st Jan & 1st July, 0:00 UTC);
> > >   as an exception, the list will also be updated immediately after this
> > >   vote
> > >   (suggested at VDD, added time and the exceptional update clause)
> > 
> > > * before each vote
> > >   (suggested at VDD)
> > 
> > This is not well defined
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well-defined_expression
> > 
> > "before each vote" is not a single unique point in time
> > 
> > First what is meant by "vote", theres a annoucement of some
> > intend to make a vote, there would be a discussion, there could
> > be a 2nd annoucement theres a period where people can propose
> > new options. Then the vote start is announced at some point
> > the actual vote start then also happens.
> > 
> > So we have many reference points
> > then "before" is everything before, even a year is "before"
> > 
> > and exactly at the time when the vote actually starts is impossible
> > because at that time the list must already be known and entered
> > into the vote system
> > 
> > I guess this doesnt matter if the option doesnt win ...
> 
> It seems obvious to me that the intent is "generate the list immediately
> before the starting the vote".

iam sure if it is obvious to you that will prevent disagreements and also
that "immediately before" is a well defined physical point in time

is 1 minute before "immediately before" ? (not sure that can be done)
is 1 second before "immediately before" ? (though this is not doable in practice)
is 1 hour before "immediately before" ?
is 1 day before "immediately before" ?
is 1 week before "immediately before" ?
is 1 month before "immediately before" ?
is 1 year before "immediately before" ?


> Since the script generating the voter
> list has a granularity of one day, it does not matter at what precise
> instant is the list generated, as long as it is on the same day as
> starting the vote.

How did you conclude this to be true ?
(obviously its not true but iam curious)

but try yourself: (all in one day you will get 2 differnt GAs)

git init
for i in `seq 20` ; do echo A >> A ; git add A ; git commit --author 'mitchikaku <mitchikaku@silly-movies.test> A' -m message ; done
perl ../tools/general_assembly.pl
# 2023-11-05 edc68c67988928560757eb624adeaf645b90740d
mitchikaku <mitchikaku@silly-movies.test>

for i in `seq 20` ; do echo A >> A ; git add A ; git commit --author 'kei <kei@silly-movies.test> A' -m message ; done
perl ../tools/general_assembly.pl
# 2023-11-05 3a39fd2af355a78c8e7eddae03f1fc056e100014
kei <kei@silly-movies.test>
mitchikaku <mitchikaku@silly-movies.test>



thx

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming GA vote

[Anton Khirnov]

A reminder to everyone who has not voted yet that the vote will close
tomorrow around midnight UTC. Please vote as soon as possible.

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