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boundary="67HUDCSJJfbLNMMO" Content-Disposition: inline --67HUDCSJJfbLNMMO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nicolas On Thu, Oct 30, 2025 at 08:42:20PM +0100, Nicolas George via ffmpeg-devel w= rote: > Hi. >=20 > Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel (HE12025-10-16): > > I like that this would result in a steady income stream. > > I think its a good idea, and iam happy to provide companies with > > extended security support on old releases. >=20 > I think it is na=EFve for nerds like us to expect being able to interact > with companies and coming out ahead. They would sic their lawyers on us > to make sure they have warranties that we deliver what they want. We have people in the community who have experience with company stuff [...] > > I mean, We have companies who want releases (cant say who and what > > exactly because its non public info) > > These companies will pay for releases, so someone will continue making > > releases. Its better if that someone is us, better for the quality of > > releases and better for our income >=20 > Why should we care if the releases are good if we do not slap our names > on them? >=20 > The core of the issue is that FFmpeg is a Libre Software project, not an > Open Source project: it is before anything else the work of people in > their free time to make beautiful code, not the work of a company that > is planning to eventually turn a profit. This is important also for our > own freedom to experiment, to write code differently, to take the risk > of failing. >=20 > What you propose effectively turns FFmpeg into a company in all but > legal status. That would be detrimental to our freedom to experiment, > and eventually to the quality of the code. Not counting being halfway > between two status, i.e. getting the problems of both. I care about money, so i dont have to care about money You can either A. work 40h a week to make enough money to live and use the remaining time = to build beautifull code B. be rich enough so you can fulltime build beautifull code C. work 40h a week building beatifull code We want to achieve something between B and C here If we can get about 2M$ / year in donations then maintaince of FFmpeg can be funded. Why do we want to fund it ? Because we need more manpower, we need people s= pending more time working on FFmpeg. If you can make it happen without $, please do How unrealistic is funding some of the maintaince ? Lets do a quick check, almost everyone on this planet uses FFmpeg in some f= orm (youtube alone has ~3 billion users) imagine each of youtubes users gives FFmpeg 1 cent once in their life instant 30million $ invest in S&P500, subtract inflation you get a fresh 2M$ each year. While this is a thought experiment, if everyone who used FFmpeg gave us 1 c= ent once in their life we could fund FFmpegs maintaince indefinitly. With zero requiremets, we would be 100% free to choose what to work on. Above is not a plan, its just to show the scale of what we need. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB The real ebay dictionary, page 1 "Used only once" - "Some unspecified defect prevented a second use" "In good condition" - "Can be repaird by experienced expert" "As is" - "You wouldnt want it even if you were payed for it, if you knew .= =2E." --67HUDCSJJfbLNMMO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEKAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCaQaTKgAKCRBhHseHBAsP q5MZAKCJjjq823CwYMeFUer5h+Ze0EYViwCfaWtpftHzKEgHfvlAAuMReYfzVY0= =1caJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --67HUDCSJJfbLNMMO-- --===============5332272361371257592== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list -- ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org To unsubscribe send an email to ffmpeg-devel-leave@ffmpeg.org --===============5332272361371257592==--