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From: Andrew Sayers <ffmpeg-devel@pileofstuff.org>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] lavu/opt: Mention that AVOptions is not reentrant
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2024 16:16:22 +0100
Message-ID: <ZmHSxjeGcBLTryGx@andrews-2024-laptop.sayers> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240606142411.GO2821752@pb2>

On Thu, Jun 06, 2024 at 04:24:11PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2024 at 09:29:24AM +0100, Andrew Sayers wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 06, 2024 at 01:17:48AM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > [...]
> > > AVOption simply provides light weight access to the struct fields.
> > > Calling AVOption non re-entrant in modifying a field you arent even allowed
> > > to modify from 2 threads is confusing
> > 
> > I think you're saying there's already a rule about modifying AVOptions from
> > 2 threads.  Could you explain that in more detail?
> 
> Well, one way this can be argued is this:
> Latest C draft: (but i doubt this is different) ISO/IEC 9899:2017   C17 ballot N2176
> 
> "Two expression evaluations conflict if one of them modifies a memory location and the other one
>  reads or modifies the same memory location"
> 
> so if you have 2 threads and one writes into a int and another reads it at the
> same time, the code is broken.
> The code doing said act through some API doesnt become less broken
> 
> Calling AVOption non re-rentrant because of that is false thats as if one executed
> strtok_r(a,b,c) with the VERY same a,b,c from 2 threads and then said
> its not thread safe
> 
> strtok_r() is thread safe and reentrant if its used correctly, so is AVOption
[...]

Ok, how about if the patch avoided the word "reentrant" and just said:

+ * Note: AVOptions values should not be modified after a struct is initialized.
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  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-06 15:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-05 13:18 Andrew Sayers
2024-06-05 13:34 ` Paul B Mahol
2024-06-05 13:43   ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-05 13:46     ` Ronald S. Bultje
2024-06-05 14:22       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-05 23:17         ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-06-06  8:29           ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-06 14:24             ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-06-06 15:16               ` Andrew Sayers [this message]
2024-06-06 15:21                 ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2024-06-06 15:43                   ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-05 13:50     ` Paul B Mahol
2024-06-06 16:02       ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2] lavu/opt: Discuss AV_OPT_FLAG_RUNTIME_PARAM more explicitly Andrew Sayers
2024-06-16 16:04         ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-06-16 17:08           ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 0/3] s/RUNTIME/POST_INIT_SETTABLE/ Andrew Sayers
2024-06-16 17:08             ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 1/3] lavu/opt: Rename AV_OPT_FLAG_RUNTIME_PARAM to ...POST_INIT_SETTABLE_PARAM Andrew Sayers
2024-07-01 22:33               ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-07-02  3:58                 ` Zhao Zhili
2024-07-06  9:47                   ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-07-02  9:08                 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 0/3] s/RUNTIME/POST_INIT_SETTABLE/ Andrew Sayers
2024-07-02  9:08                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 1/3] lavu/opt: Rename AV_OPT_FLAG_RUNTIME_PARAM to ...POST_INIT_SETTABLE_PARAM Andrew Sayers
2024-07-02  9:49                     ` Anton Khirnov
2024-07-06  9:50                     ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-07-02  9:08                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 2/3] lavu/opt: Mention AV_OPT_FLAG_POST_INIT_SETTABLE_PARAM in more places Andrew Sayers
2024-07-02  9:52                     ` Anton Khirnov
2024-07-02 10:13                       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-07-02 10:16                         ` Anton Khirnov
2024-07-02 10:49                           ` Andrew Sayers
2024-07-02  9:08                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 3/3] all: s/AV_OPT_FLAG_RUNTIME_PARAM/AV_OPT_FLAG_POST_INIT_SETTABLE_PARAM/g Andrew Sayers
2024-07-06  9:37                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 0/3] s/RUNTIME/POST_INIT_SETTABLE/ Stefano Sabatini
2024-07-06 10:40                     ` Paul B Mahol
2024-07-06 16:49                       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-07-06 18:03                         ` Andrew Sayers
2024-07-06 10:41                     ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-16 17:08             ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 2/3] lavu/opt: Mention AV_OPT_FLAG_POST_INIT_SETTABLE_PARAM in more places Andrew Sayers
2024-06-16 17:08             ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 3/3] all: s/AV_OPT_FLAG_RUNTIME_PARAM/AV_OPT_FLAG_POST_INIT_SETTABLE_PARAM/g Andrew Sayers
2024-06-16 17:22             ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 0/3] s/RUNTIME/POST_INIT_SETTABLE/ Paul B Mahol
2024-07-01 22:26             ` Stefano Sabatini

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