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From: Andrew Sayers <ffmpeg-devel@pileofstuff.org>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] lavu/opt: Mention that AVOptions is not reentrant
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2024 09:29:24 +0100
Message-ID: <ZmFzY9RxbuEHhu9V@andrews-2024-laptop.sayers> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240605231748.GM2821752@pb2>

On Thu, Jun 06, 2024 at 01:17:48AM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
[...]
> AVOption simply provides light weight access to the struct fields.
> Calling AVOption non re-entrant in modifying a field you arent even allowed
> to modify from 2 threads is confusing

I think you're saying there's already a rule about modifying AVOptions from
2 threads.  Could you explain that in more detail?

> If you want to modify a field from 2 threads that field could be some sort
> of atomic type. This can then easily be added to AVOption

Doing that for a single option would involve publicly guaranteeing its
representation for at least one major version.  At that point, you might as well
just tell people to access it as a member of a public struct.

To be clear - this isn't a programming problem, it's a design problem.
The interface currently allows external developers to assume something will
always work when it's actually just something that could be supported some day.
Writing up the current behaviour as a guarantee lets them avoid writing code
that will generate hard-to-reproduce bugs, at the cost of making it slightly
harder for us to do something we've never needed to do in the past.
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  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-06  8:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-05 13:18 Andrew Sayers
2024-06-05 13:34 ` Paul B Mahol
2024-06-05 13:43   ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-05 13:46     ` Ronald S. Bultje
2024-06-05 14:22       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-05 23:17         ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-06-06  8:29           ` Andrew Sayers [this message]
2024-06-06 14:24             ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-06-06 15:16               ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-06 15:21                 ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2024-06-06 15:43                   ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-05 13:50     ` Paul B Mahol
2024-06-06 16:02       ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2] lavu/opt: Discuss AV_OPT_FLAG_RUNTIME_PARAM more explicitly Andrew Sayers
2024-06-16 16:04         ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-06-16 17:08           ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 0/3] s/RUNTIME/POST_INIT_SETTABLE/ Andrew Sayers
2024-06-16 17:08             ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 1/3] lavu/opt: Rename AV_OPT_FLAG_RUNTIME_PARAM to ...POST_INIT_SETTABLE_PARAM Andrew Sayers
2024-07-01 22:33               ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-07-02  3:58                 ` Zhao Zhili
2024-07-06  9:47                   ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-07-02  9:08                 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 0/3] s/RUNTIME/POST_INIT_SETTABLE/ Andrew Sayers
2024-07-02  9:08                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 1/3] lavu/opt: Rename AV_OPT_FLAG_RUNTIME_PARAM to ...POST_INIT_SETTABLE_PARAM Andrew Sayers
2024-07-02  9:49                     ` Anton Khirnov
2024-07-06  9:50                     ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-07-02  9:08                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 2/3] lavu/opt: Mention AV_OPT_FLAG_POST_INIT_SETTABLE_PARAM in more places Andrew Sayers
2024-07-02  9:52                     ` Anton Khirnov
2024-07-02 10:13                       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-07-02 10:16                         ` Anton Khirnov
2024-07-02 10:49                           ` Andrew Sayers
2024-07-02  9:08                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 3/3] all: s/AV_OPT_FLAG_RUNTIME_PARAM/AV_OPT_FLAG_POST_INIT_SETTABLE_PARAM/g Andrew Sayers
2024-07-06  9:37                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 0/3] s/RUNTIME/POST_INIT_SETTABLE/ Stefano Sabatini
2024-07-06 10:40                     ` Paul B Mahol
2024-07-06 16:49                       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-07-06 18:03                         ` Andrew Sayers
2024-07-06 10:41                     ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-16 17:08             ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 2/3] lavu/opt: Mention AV_OPT_FLAG_POST_INIT_SETTABLE_PARAM in more places Andrew Sayers
2024-06-16 17:08             ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 3/3] all: s/AV_OPT_FLAG_RUNTIME_PARAM/AV_OPT_FLAG_POST_INIT_SETTABLE_PARAM/g Andrew Sayers
2024-06-16 17:22             ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 0/3] s/RUNTIME/POST_INIT_SETTABLE/ Paul B Mahol
2024-07-01 22:26             ` Stefano Sabatini

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