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From: Stefano Sabatini <stefasab@gmail.com>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 1/4] doc: Explain what "context" means
Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 18:06:10 +0200
Message-ID: <ZldScjM53RwCguHY@mariano> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZlcIgMnYVxP7PxlY@andrews-2024-laptop.sayers>

On date Wednesday 2024-05-29 11:50:40 +0100, Andrew Sayers wrote:
> Posting this separately, as these are practical "how does FFmpeg work" issues
> vaguely inspired by recent discussions.
> 
> 
> *How do namespaces work in FFmpeg?*
> 
> We've talked a bit about function namespaces recently.  One reason I've
> suggested they're a weak signal is because they aren't really addressed in the
> documentation.  How about adding something like this to the context doc:
> 
>     Most FFmpeg functions are grouped into namespaces, usually indicated by
>     prefixes (e.g. `av_format_*`) but sometimes indicated by infixes
>     (e.g. av_alloc_format_context()).  Namespaces group functions by *topic*,
>     which doesn't always correlate with *context*.  For example, `av_find_*`
>     functions search for information across various contexts.
> 
> 
> *Should external API devs treat Sw{r,s}Context as AVClass context structures?*
> 
> This is probably an uninteresting edge case, but just to be sure...
> 

> The website says Sw{r,s}Context start with AVClass[1], they have _get_class
> functions, are shown in `ffmpeg -h full`, and I haven't found anything that says
> to treat them differently to e.g. AVCodecContext.  So I'm pretty sure these
> are AVClass context structures, at least as far as internal devs are concerned.

It impacts the user as this changes the API. I guess when AVClass was
removed from AVFrame that was done with a major bump to advertise an
API break.

> But their definitions are only in the private interface, so the layout is just
> an implementation detail that can change without even a major version bump.
> AVFrame used to have a _get_class function despite never having an actual
> AVClass member, so that's not a signal to external API devs.  And `URLContext`
> appears in `ffmpeg -h full` despite having being made private long ago,
> so that's not much of a signal either.
> 
> My guess is that the above should be addressed with a patch like:
> 
> +/**
> + * @brief Context for SWResampler
> + *

> + * @note The public ABI only guarantees this is an AVOptions-enabled struct.
> + * Its size and other members are not a part of the public ABI.

This looks redundant to me, this is true for all the opaque structus,
and we don't want to repeat this again and again (this is a feature of
the C language, not of the API itself).

> + *
> + * @see
> + * - @ref Context
> + */
>  struct SwrContext {
> 
> Let me know if the above is on the right track.  If so, I'll queue up a patch
> for after the context document is done.

Better to treat this as a separate patch anyway.
 
> *Are AVOptions just command-line options?*

No, in fact this is not about comman-line options at all.

> 
> I have trouble with statements like "AVOptions is a framework for options",
> both because it's circular and because the term "option" is too broad to be
> meaningful.

AVOptions (or better the av_opt API) is a system to set
fields/properties/options on an enabled struct. This is a high level
API since it allows multiple options setting, validation, setting
from a dictionary etc., and enables to abstract the struct field name
(since the option names might be different from the field name).

> 
> I've previously pushed the word "reflection" on the assumption that options
> can be used anywhere variables are used.  For example, imagine a decoder that
> could be reconfigured on-the-fly to reduce CPU usage at the cost of displaying
> blurier images.  That can't be part of the public interface because it's
> codec-specific, but I could imagine updating some kind of "output_quality"
> AVOption as a user slides a slider up and down.
> 
> But the CLI tools are largely non-interactive, so have I just misunderstood?
> 
> How about saying "AVOptions is a framework for command-line options"?

It is not about CLI options, although you can use introspection to get
the supported options and build an interface to set them.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-05-29 16:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-18 15:06 [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 1/3] " Andrew Sayers
2024-04-18 15:06 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/3] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-04-18 15:06 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 3/3] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-04-20  7:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 1/3] doc: Explain what "context" means Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-20 12:18   ` Andrew Sayers
2024-04-20 16:13     ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-20 12:19   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 " Andrew Sayers
2024-04-20 12:19     ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 2/3] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-04-20 12:19     ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 3/3] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-04-20 16:48     ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 1/3] doc: Explain what "context" means Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-20 22:17       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-04-22  8:02         ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-22 15:56           ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 0/3] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-04-22 15:56             ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 1/3] doc: Explain what "context" means Andrew Sayers
2024-04-22 17:05               ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-29  9:10                 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-02 10:03                   ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-05  7:29                   ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-05 21:04                     ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-22 10:37                       ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-22 12:47                         ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-25  9:00                           ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-29  9:24                 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 1/4] " Andrew Sayers
2024-04-29  9:24                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 2/4] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-04-29  9:24                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 3/4] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-05-02 11:01                     ` Lynne
2024-05-02 11:14                       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-02 13:00                       ` Zhao Zhili
2024-05-02 13:27                         ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-02 13:39                           ` Zhao Zhili
2024-04-29  9:24                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 4/4] lavf: Add documentation for private "Context" classes Andrew Sayers
2024-05-05  8:31                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 1/4] doc: Explain what "context" means Andreas Rheinhardt
2024-05-05 10:34                     ` Andrew Sayers
2024-04-22 15:56             ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 2/3] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-04-22 15:56             ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 3/3] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-05-15 15:54 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 0/4] Explain what "context" means Andrew Sayers
2024-05-15 15:54   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 1/4] doc: " Andrew Sayers
2024-05-22  9:31     ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-22 16:07       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-25  9:49         ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-26 12:06           ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-28 17:24             ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-29 10:10               ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-29 10:50               ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-29 11:06                 ` Paul B Mahol
2024-05-29 14:18                   ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-29 16:06                 ` Stefano Sabatini [this message]
2024-05-23 20:00       ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 0/4] " Andrew Sayers
2024-05-23 20:00         ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 1/4] doc: " Andrew Sayers
2024-05-25 11:00           ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-23 20:00         ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 2/4] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-05-25  9:57           ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-23 20:00         ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 3/4] all: Link to "context" from all public contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-05-23 20:00         ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 4/4] all: Rewrite documentation for contexts Andrew Sayers
2024-05-24  1:50         ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 0/4] Explain what "context" means Michael Niedermayer
2024-05-24  9:43           ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-15 15:54   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 2/4] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-05-22 10:04     ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-15 15:54   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 3/4] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-05-15 16:46     ` Lynne via ffmpeg-devel
2024-05-16 11:25       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-15 15:54   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 4/4] lavf: Add documentation for private "Context" classes Andrew Sayers
2024-05-22 10:08     ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-22 14:47       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-22 15:24     ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2024-05-22 16:54       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-04 14:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 0/4] doc: Explain what "context" means Andrew Sayers
2024-06-04 14:47   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 1/4] " Andrew Sayers
2024-06-05  8:15     ` Anton Khirnov
2024-06-12 20:52     ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-06-13 14:20       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-15  9:17         ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-06-16 18:02           ` [FFmpeg-devel] Development process for explaining contexts (was Re: [PATCH v6 1/4] doc: Explain what "context" means) Andrew Sayers
2024-06-16 21:20             ` Paul B Mahol
2024-07-01 22:16             ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-07-02  9:56               ` Andrew Sayers
2024-07-06 11:33                 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-06-04 14:47   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 2/4] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-06-05 10:34     ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-06-05 12:46       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-04 14:47   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 3/4] all: Link to "context" from all public contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-06-05  8:12     ` Anton Khirnov
2024-06-05 12:51       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-04 14:47   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 4/4] all: Rewrite documentation for contexts Andrew Sayers

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