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From: Andrew Sayers <ffmpeg-devel@pileofstuff.org>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 1/4] doc: Explain what "context" means
Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 11:50:40 +0100
Message-ID: <ZlcIgMnYVxP7PxlY@andrews-2024-laptop.sayers> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZlYTZ4VOice9Aj1F@mariano>

Posting this separately, as these are practical "how does FFmpeg work" issues
vaguely inspired by recent discussions.


*How do namespaces work in FFmpeg?*

We've talked a bit about function namespaces recently.  One reason I've
suggested they're a weak signal is because they aren't really addressed in the
documentation.  How about adding something like this to the context doc:

    Most FFmpeg functions are grouped into namespaces, usually indicated by
    prefixes (e.g. `av_format_*`) but sometimes indicated by infixes
    (e.g. av_alloc_format_context()).  Namespaces group functions by *topic*,
    which doesn't always correlate with *context*.  For example, `av_find_*`
    functions search for information across various contexts.


*Should external API devs treat Sw{r,s}Context as AVClass context structures?*

This is probably an uninteresting edge case, but just to be sure...

The website says Sw{r,s}Context start with AVClass[1], they have _get_class
functions, are shown in `ffmpeg -h full`, and I haven't found anything that says
to treat them differently to e.g. AVCodecContext.  So I'm pretty sure these
are AVClass context structures, at least as far as internal devs are concerned.

But their definitions are only in the private interface, so the layout is just
an implementation detail that can change without even a major version bump.
AVFrame used to have a _get_class function despite never having an actual
AVClass member, so that's not a signal to external API devs.  And `URLContext`
appears in `ffmpeg -h full` despite having being made private long ago,
so that's not much of a signal either.

My guess is that the above should be addressed with a patch like:

+/**
+ * @brief Context for SWResampler
+ *
+ * @note The public ABI only guarantees this is an AVOptions-enabled struct.
+ * Its size and other members are not a part of the public ABI.
+ *
+ * @see
+ * - @ref Context
+ */
 struct SwrContext {

Let me know if the above is on the right track.  If so, I'll queue up a patch
for after the context document is done.


*Are AVOptions just command-line options?*

I have trouble with statements like "AVOptions is a framework for options",
both because it's circular and because the term "option" is too broad to be
meaningful.

I've previously pushed the word "reflection" on the assumption that options
can be used anywhere variables are used.  For example, imagine a decoder that
could be reconfigured on-the-fly to reduce CPU usage at the cost of displaying
blurier images.  That can't be part of the public interface because it's
codec-specific, but I could imagine updating some kind of "output_quality"
AVOption as a user slides a slider up and down.

But the CLI tools are largely non-interactive, so have I just misunderstood?

How about saying "AVOptions is a framework for command-line options"?

[1] https://ffmpeg.org/doxygen/trunk/structSwrContext.html
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-05-29 10:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-18 15:06 [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 1/3] " Andrew Sayers
2024-04-18 15:06 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/3] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-04-18 15:06 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 3/3] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-04-20  7:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 1/3] doc: Explain what "context" means Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-20 12:18   ` Andrew Sayers
2024-04-20 16:13     ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-20 12:19   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 " Andrew Sayers
2024-04-20 12:19     ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 2/3] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-04-20 12:19     ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 3/3] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-04-20 16:48     ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 1/3] doc: Explain what "context" means Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-20 22:17       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-04-22  8:02         ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-22 15:56           ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 0/3] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-04-22 15:56             ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 1/3] doc: Explain what "context" means Andrew Sayers
2024-04-22 17:05               ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-29  9:10                 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-02 10:03                   ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-05  7:29                   ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-05 21:04                     ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-22 10:37                       ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-22 12:47                         ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-25  9:00                           ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-29  9:24                 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 1/4] " Andrew Sayers
2024-04-29  9:24                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 2/4] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-04-29  9:24                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 3/4] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-05-02 11:01                     ` Lynne
2024-05-02 11:14                       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-02 13:00                       ` Zhao Zhili
2024-05-02 13:27                         ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-02 13:39                           ` Zhao Zhili
2024-04-29  9:24                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 4/4] lavf: Add documentation for private "Context" classes Andrew Sayers
2024-05-05  8:31                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 1/4] doc: Explain what "context" means Andreas Rheinhardt
2024-05-05 10:34                     ` Andrew Sayers
2024-04-22 15:56             ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 2/3] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-04-22 15:56             ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 3/3] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-05-15 15:54 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 0/4] Explain what "context" means Andrew Sayers
2024-05-15 15:54   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 1/4] doc: " Andrew Sayers
2024-05-22  9:31     ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-22 16:07       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-25  9:49         ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-26 12:06           ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-28 17:24             ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-29 10:10               ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-29 10:50               ` Andrew Sayers [this message]
2024-05-29 11:06                 ` Paul B Mahol
2024-05-29 14:18                   ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-29 16:06                 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-23 20:00       ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 0/4] " Andrew Sayers
2024-05-23 20:00         ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 1/4] doc: " Andrew Sayers
2024-05-25 11:00           ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-23 20:00         ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 2/4] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-05-25  9:57           ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-23 20:00         ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 3/4] all: Link to "context" from all public contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-05-23 20:00         ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 4/4] all: Rewrite documentation for contexts Andrew Sayers
2024-05-24  1:50         ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 0/4] Explain what "context" means Michael Niedermayer
2024-05-24  9:43           ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-15 15:54   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 2/4] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-05-22 10:04     ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-15 15:54   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 3/4] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-05-15 16:46     ` Lynne via ffmpeg-devel
2024-05-16 11:25       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-15 15:54   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 4/4] lavf: Add documentation for private "Context" classes Andrew Sayers
2024-05-22 10:08     ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-22 14:47       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-22 15:24     ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2024-05-22 16:54       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-04 14:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 0/4] doc: Explain what "context" means Andrew Sayers
2024-06-04 14:47   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 1/4] " Andrew Sayers
2024-06-05  8:15     ` Anton Khirnov
2024-06-12 20:52     ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-06-13 14:20       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-15  9:17         ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-06-16 18:02           ` [FFmpeg-devel] Development process for explaining contexts (was Re: [PATCH v6 1/4] doc: Explain what "context" means) Andrew Sayers
2024-06-16 21:20             ` Paul B Mahol
2024-07-01 22:16             ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-07-02  9:56               ` Andrew Sayers
2024-07-06 11:33                 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-06-04 14:47   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 2/4] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-06-05 10:34     ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-06-05 12:46       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-04 14:47   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 3/4] all: Link to "context" from all public contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-06-05  8:12     ` Anton Khirnov
2024-06-05 12:51       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-04 14:47   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 4/4] all: Rewrite documentation for contexts Andrew Sayers

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