From: Andrew Sayers <ffmpeg-devel@pileofstuff.org> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 1/4] doc: Explain what "context" means Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 11:50:40 +0100 Message-ID: <ZlcIgMnYVxP7PxlY@andrews-2024-laptop.sayers> (raw) In-Reply-To: <ZlYTZ4VOice9Aj1F@mariano> Posting this separately, as these are practical "how does FFmpeg work" issues vaguely inspired by recent discussions. *How do namespaces work in FFmpeg?* We've talked a bit about function namespaces recently. One reason I've suggested they're a weak signal is because they aren't really addressed in the documentation. How about adding something like this to the context doc: Most FFmpeg functions are grouped into namespaces, usually indicated by prefixes (e.g. `av_format_*`) but sometimes indicated by infixes (e.g. av_alloc_format_context()). Namespaces group functions by *topic*, which doesn't always correlate with *context*. For example, `av_find_*` functions search for information across various contexts. *Should external API devs treat Sw{r,s}Context as AVClass context structures?* This is probably an uninteresting edge case, but just to be sure... The website says Sw{r,s}Context start with AVClass[1], they have _get_class functions, are shown in `ffmpeg -h full`, and I haven't found anything that says to treat them differently to e.g. AVCodecContext. So I'm pretty sure these are AVClass context structures, at least as far as internal devs are concerned. But their definitions are only in the private interface, so the layout is just an implementation detail that can change without even a major version bump. AVFrame used to have a _get_class function despite never having an actual AVClass member, so that's not a signal to external API devs. And `URLContext` appears in `ffmpeg -h full` despite having being made private long ago, so that's not much of a signal either. My guess is that the above should be addressed with a patch like: +/** + * @brief Context for SWResampler + * + * @note The public ABI only guarantees this is an AVOptions-enabled struct. + * Its size and other members are not a part of the public ABI. + * + * @see + * - @ref Context + */ struct SwrContext { Let me know if the above is on the right track. If so, I'll queue up a patch for after the context document is done. *Are AVOptions just command-line options?* I have trouble with statements like "AVOptions is a framework for options", both because it's circular and because the term "option" is too broad to be meaningful. I've previously pushed the word "reflection" on the assumption that options can be used anywhere variables are used. For example, imagine a decoder that could be reconfigured on-the-fly to reduce CPU usage at the cost of displaying blurier images. That can't be part of the public interface because it's codec-specific, but I could imagine updating some kind of "output_quality" AVOption as a user slides a slider up and down. But the CLI tools are largely non-interactive, so have I just misunderstood? How about saying "AVOptions is a framework for command-line options"? [1] https://ffmpeg.org/doxygen/trunk/structSwrContext.html _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-05-29 10:50 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2024-04-18 15:06 [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 1/3] " Andrew Sayers 2024-04-18 15:06 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/3] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers 2024-04-18 15:06 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 3/3] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers 2024-04-20 7:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 1/3] doc: Explain what "context" means Stefano Sabatini 2024-04-20 12:18 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-04-20 16:13 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-04-20 12:19 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 " Andrew Sayers 2024-04-20 12:19 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 2/3] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers 2024-04-20 12:19 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 3/3] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers 2024-04-20 16:48 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 1/3] doc: Explain what "context" means Stefano Sabatini 2024-04-20 22:17 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-04-22 8:02 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-04-22 15:56 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 0/3] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers 2024-04-22 15:56 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 1/3] doc: Explain what "context" means Andrew Sayers 2024-04-22 17:05 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-04-29 9:10 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-05-02 10:03 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-05-05 7:29 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-05-05 21:04 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-05-22 10:37 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-05-22 12:47 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-05-25 9:00 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-04-29 9:24 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 1/4] " Andrew Sayers 2024-04-29 9:24 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 2/4] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers 2024-04-29 9:24 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 3/4] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers 2024-05-02 11:01 ` Lynne 2024-05-02 11:14 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-05-02 13:00 ` Zhao Zhili 2024-05-02 13:27 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-05-02 13:39 ` Zhao Zhili 2024-04-29 9:24 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 4/4] lavf: Add documentation for private "Context" classes Andrew Sayers 2024-05-05 8:31 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 1/4] doc: Explain what "context" means Andreas Rheinhardt 2024-05-05 10:34 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-04-22 15:56 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 2/3] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers 2024-04-22 15:56 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 3/3] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers 2024-05-15 15:54 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 0/4] Explain what "context" means Andrew Sayers 2024-05-15 15:54 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 1/4] doc: " Andrew Sayers 2024-05-22 9:31 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-05-22 16:07 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-05-25 9:49 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-05-26 12:06 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-05-28 17:24 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-05-29 10:10 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-05-29 10:50 ` Andrew Sayers [this message] 2024-05-29 11:06 ` Paul B Mahol 2024-05-29 14:18 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-05-29 16:06 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-05-23 20:00 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 0/4] " Andrew Sayers 2024-05-23 20:00 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 1/4] doc: " Andrew Sayers 2024-05-25 11:00 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-05-23 20:00 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 2/4] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers 2024-05-25 9:57 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-05-23 20:00 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 3/4] all: Link to "context" from all public contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers 2024-05-23 20:00 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 4/4] all: Rewrite documentation for contexts Andrew Sayers 2024-05-24 1:50 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 0/4] Explain what "context" means Michael Niedermayer 2024-05-24 9:43 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-05-15 15:54 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 2/4] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers 2024-05-22 10:04 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-05-15 15:54 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 3/4] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers 2024-05-15 16:46 ` Lynne via ffmpeg-devel 2024-05-16 11:25 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-05-15 15:54 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 4/4] lavf: Add documentation for private "Context" classes Andrew Sayers 2024-05-22 10:08 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-05-22 14:47 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-05-22 15:24 ` Andreas Rheinhardt 2024-05-22 16:54 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-06-04 14:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 0/4] doc: Explain what "context" means Andrew Sayers 2024-06-04 14:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 1/4] " Andrew Sayers 2024-06-05 8:15 ` Anton Khirnov 2024-06-12 20:52 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-06-13 14:20 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-06-15 9:17 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-06-16 18:02 ` [FFmpeg-devel] Development process for explaining contexts (was Re: [PATCH v6 1/4] doc: Explain what "context" means) Andrew Sayers 2024-06-16 21:20 ` Paul B Mahol 2024-07-01 22:16 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-07-02 9:56 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-07-06 11:33 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-06-04 14:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 2/4] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers 2024-06-05 10:34 ` Stefano Sabatini 2024-06-05 12:46 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-06-04 14:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 3/4] all: Link to "context" from all public contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers 2024-06-05 8:12 ` Anton Khirnov 2024-06-05 12:51 ` Andrew Sayers 2024-06-04 14:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 4/4] all: Rewrite documentation for contexts Andrew Sayers
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