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[87.17.49.61]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e6-20020a170906504600b00a4e26377bf1sm565668ejk.175.2024.04.18.01.19.51 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 18 Apr 2024 01:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mariano (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9917ABFCE8; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 10:19:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 10:19:50 +0200 From: Stefano Sabatini To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches References: <20240417135832.GJ6420@pb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/2.1.4 (2021-12-11) Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] 5 year plan & Inovation X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: On date Wednesday 2024-04-17 19:21:39 -0700, Aidan wrote: > The best option is to figure stuff out. [...] > I use FFmpeg to download HLS streams from the internet or convert files > like probably most people do. FFmpeg is the ultimate way of doing this > because there is no better option. > > But there are issues: [...] > I submitted a patch for a TTML decoder because I thought it would be great. > It was completely ignored. Please ping the patch or send a new one. > If my patch was seriously bad, then fine. But seriously *no one cared*. I think contribution management is a serious issue here. What happens when you send a patch is that if you're lucky someone will be interested and put some effort to review and eventually get it pushed, which depending on several factors might require several interactions. Sometimes contributors are side-tracked or frustrated and the review process is interrupted. Sometimes the reviewer won't reply, and the review also might be stuck (in this case you might want to ping the patch). Sometimes there is no qualified or interested developer around, or maybe those ones are busy with other things (and it's easy to miss a patch, especially if you don't check emails since a few days and you got hundreds of backlog emails). In general, this is done on a best effort basis (read as: most developers are volunteers and they might have job/families/stuff to tend to), there is no guarantee that a patch might be reviewed in a timely fashion. This is not a problem specific with FFmpeg, but in general with most FLOSS projects. Probably we should find ways to fund such activites, so that a developer can spend more time on reviewing work, but this comes with other risks/issues (since managing money is also complex of potential tensions in a mostly volunteering-based project). It's also very difficult to track the sent patches, and that's why having a Pull-Request process a-la github has been proposed several times; we cannot switch to github for several reasons (licensing and affilitation issues with platform owner) and handling your own gitlab is costly and we lack volunteers at the moment. We are using patchwork to mitigate the tracking issue: https://patchwork.ffmpeg.org/project/ffmpeg/list/ but that's not really providing an effective workflow. Personally I find the status tracking confusing, e.g.: https://patchwork.ffmpeg.org/project/ffmpeg/list/?series=&submitter=&state=&q=TTML&archive=both&delegate= I cannot easily figure out what was integrated and what not. _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".