* [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
@ 2023-12-07 7:29 Paul B Mahol
2023-12-07 8:54 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-12-07 12:32 ` Michael Niedermayer
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From: Paul B Mahol @ 2023-12-07 7:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
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From b249499fccb49705ade14362875ebf4d22628fa4 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Paul B Mahol <onemda@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 08:27:14 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
Signed-off-by: Paul B Mahol <onemda@gmail.com>
---
MAINTAINERS | 55 -----------------------------------------------------
1 file changed, 55 deletions(-)
diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
index 57137e1d6d..b517ed8342 100644
--- a/MAINTAINERS
+++ b/MAINTAINERS
@@ -144,7 +144,6 @@ Codecs:
bgmc.c, bgmc.h Thilo Borgmann
binkaudio.c Peter Ross
cavs* Stefan Gehrer
- cdxl.c Paul B Mahol
celp_filters.* Vitor Sessak
cinepak.c Roberto Togni
cinepakenc.c Rl / Aetey G.T. AB
@@ -163,7 +162,6 @@ Codecs:
dv.c Roman Shaposhnik
dvbsubdec.c Anshul Maheshwari
eacmv*, eaidct*, eat* Peter Ross
- evrc* Paul B Mahol
exif.c, exif.h Thilo Borgmann
ffv1* Michael Niedermayer
ffwavesynth.c Nicolas George
@@ -217,7 +215,6 @@ Codecs:
nvdec*, nvenc* Timo Rothenpieler
omx.c Martin Storsjo, Aman Gupta
opus* Rostislav Pehlivanov
- paf.* Paul B Mahol
pcx.c Ivo van Poorten
pgssubdec.c Reimar Doeffinger
ptx.c Ivo van Poorten
@@ -239,16 +236,13 @@ Codecs:
srt* Aurelien Jacobs
sunrast.c Ivo van Poorten
svq3.c Michael Niedermayer
- tak* Paul B Mahol
truemotion1* Mike Melanson
tta.c Alex Beregszaszi, Jaikrishnan Menon
- ttaenc.c Paul B Mahol
txd.c Ivo van Poorten
v4l2_* Jorge Ramirez-Ortiz
vc2* Rostislav Pehlivanov
vcr1.c Michael Niedermayer
videotoolboxenc.c Rick Kern, Aman Gupta
- vima.c Paul B Mahol
vorbisdec.c Denes Balatoni, David Conrad
vorbisenc.c Oded Shimon
vp3* Mike Melanson
@@ -262,9 +256,7 @@ Codecs:
wmavoice.c Ronald S. Bultje
wmv2.c Michael Niedermayer
xan.c Mike Melanson
- xbm* Paul B Mahol
xface Stefano Sabatini
- xwd* Paul B Mahol
Hardware acceleration:
dxva2* Hendrik Leppkes, Laurent Aimar, Steve Lhomme
@@ -308,64 +300,33 @@ Generic parts:
motion_estimation.c Davinder Singh
Filters:
- f_drawgraph.c Paul B Mahol
- af_adelay.c Paul B Mahol
- af_aecho.c Paul B Mahol
- af_afade.c Paul B Mahol
af_amerge.c Nicolas George
- af_aphaser.c Paul B Mahol
af_aresample.c Michael Niedermayer
- af_astats.c Paul B Mahol
af_atempo.c Pavel Koshevoy
- af_biquads.c Paul B Mahol
- af_chorus.c Paul B Mahol
- af_compand.c Paul B Mahol
af_firequalizer.c Muhammad Faiz
af_hdcd.c Burt P.
- af_ladspa.c Paul B Mahol
af_loudnorm.c Kyle Swanson
af_pan.c Nicolas George
- af_sidechaincompress.c Paul B Mahol
- af_silenceremove.c Paul B Mahol
- avf_aphasemeter.c Paul B Mahol
- avf_avectorscope.c Paul B Mahol
avf_showcqt.c Muhammad Faiz
- vf_blend.c Paul B Mahol
vf_bwdif Thomas Mundt (CC <thomas.mundt@hr.de>)
vf_chromakey.c Timo Rothenpieler
- vf_colorchannelmixer.c Paul B Mahol
vf_colorconstancy.c Mina Sami (CC <minas.gorgy@gmail.com>)
- vf_colorbalance.c Paul B Mahol
vf_colorkey.c Timo Rothenpieler
- vf_colorlevels.c Paul B Mahol
vf_coreimage.m Thilo Borgmann
- vf_deband.c Paul B Mahol
vf_dejudder.c Nicholas Robbins
vf_delogo.c Jean Delvare (CC <jdelvare@suse.com>)
vf_drawbox.c/drawgrid Andrey Utkin
- vf_extractplanes.c Paul B Mahol
- vf_histogram.c Paul B Mahol
vf_hqx.c Clément Bœsch
vf_idet.c Pascal Massimino
- vf_il.c Paul B Mahol
vf_(t)interlace Thomas Mundt (CC <thomas.mundt@hr.de>)
vf_lenscorrection.c Daniel Oberhoff
vf_libplacebo.c Niklas Haas
- vf_mergeplanes.c Paul B Mahol
vf_mestimate.c Davinder Singh
vf_minterpolate.c Davinder Singh
- vf_neighbor.c Paul B Mahol
- vf_psnr.c Paul B Mahol
- vf_random.c Paul B Mahol
vf_readvitc.c Tobias Rapp (CC t.rapp at noa-archive dot com)
vf_scale.c Michael Niedermayer
- vf_separatefields.c Paul B Mahol
- vf_ssim.c Paul B Mahol
- vf_stereo3d.c Paul B Mahol
- vf_telecine.c Paul B Mahol
vf_tonemap_opencl.c Ruiling Song
vf_yadif.c Michael Niedermayer
- vf_zoompan.c Paul B Mahol
Sources:
vsrc_mandelbrot.c Michael Niedermayer
@@ -387,7 +348,6 @@ Muxers/Demuxers:
4xm.c Mike Melanson
aadec.c Vesselin Bontchev (vesselin.bontchev at yandex dot com)
adtsenc.c Robert Swain
- afc.c Paul B Mahol
aiffdec.c Baptiste Coudurier, Matthieu Bouron
aiffenc.c Baptiste Coudurier, Matthieu Bouron
alp.c Zane van Iperen
@@ -398,16 +358,12 @@ Muxers/Demuxers:
argo_brp.c Zane van Iperen
argo_cvg.c Zane van Iperen
ass* Aurelien Jacobs
- astdec.c Paul B Mahol
astenc.c James Almer
avi* Michael Niedermayer
avisynth.c Stephen Hutchinson
- avr.c Paul B Mahol
bink.c Peter Ross
boadec.c Michael Niedermayer
- brstm.c Paul B Mahol
caf* Peter Ross
- cdxl.c Paul B Mahol
codec2.c Tomas Härdin
crc.c Michael Niedermayer
dashdec.c Steven Liu
@@ -416,10 +372,8 @@ Muxers/Demuxers:
dfpwmdec.c Jack Bruienne
dss.c Oleksij Rempel
dtsdec.c foo86
- dtshddec.c Paul B Mahol
dv.c Roman Shaposhnik
electronicarts.c Peter Ross
- epafdec.c Paul B Mahol
evc* Samsung (Dawid Kozinski)
ffm* Baptiste Coudurier
flic.c Mike Melanson
@@ -434,7 +388,6 @@ Muxers/Demuxers:
imf* Pierre-Anthony Lemieux
img2*.c Michael Niedermayer
ipmovie.c Mike Melanson
- ircam* Paul B Mahol
iss.c Stefan Gehrer
jpegxl* Leo Izen
jvdec.c Peter Ross
@@ -442,14 +395,12 @@ Muxers/Demuxers:
libmodplug.c Clément Bœsch
libopenmpt.c Josh de Kock
lmlm4.c Ivo van Poorten
- lvfdec.c Paul B Mahol
lxfdec.c Tomas Härdin
matroska.c Aurelien Jacobs, Andreas Rheinhardt
matroskadec.c Aurelien Jacobs, Andreas Rheinhardt
matroskaenc.c David Conrad, Andreas Rheinhardt
matroska subtitles (matroskaenc.c) John Peebles
metadata* Aurelien Jacobs
- mgsts.c Paul B Mahol
microdvd* Aurelien Jacobs
mm.c Peter Ross
mov.c Baptiste Coudurier
@@ -462,7 +413,6 @@ Muxers/Demuxers:
msnwc_tcp.c Ramiro Polla
mtv.c Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet
mxf* Baptiste Coudurier, Tomas Härdin
- nistspheredec.c Paul B Mahol
nsvdec.c Francois Revol
nut* Michael Niedermayer
nuv.c Reimar Doeffinger
@@ -470,11 +420,9 @@ Muxers/Demuxers:
oggenc.c Baptiste Coudurier
oggparse*.c David Conrad
oma.c Maxim Poliakovski
- paf.c Paul B Mahol
pp_bnk.c Zane van Iperen
psxstr.c Mike Melanson
pva.c Ivo van Poorten
- pvfdec.c Paul B Mahol
r3d.c Baptiste Coudurier
raw.c Michael Niedermayer
rdt.c Ronald S. Bultje
@@ -495,11 +443,9 @@ Muxers/Demuxers:
sdp.c Martin Storsjo
segafilm.c Mike Melanson
segment.c Stefano Sabatini
- smjpeg* Paul B Mahol
spdif* Anssi Hannula
srtdec.c Aurelien Jacobs
swf.c Baptiste Coudurier
- takdec.c Paul B Mahol
tta.c Alex Beregszaszi
txd.c Ivo van Poorten
voc.c Aurelien Jacobs
@@ -509,7 +455,6 @@ Muxers/Demuxers:
webvtt* Matthew J Heaney
westwood.c Mike Melanson
wtv.c Peter Ross
- wvenc.c Paul B Mahol
Protocols:
async.c Zhang Rui
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* Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
2023-12-07 7:29 [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg Paul B Mahol
@ 2023-12-07 8:54 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-12-07 8:59 ` Nicolas George
2023-12-07 12:32 ` Michael Niedermayer
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From: Jean-Baptiste Kempf @ 2023-12-07 8:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Paul B Mahol, ffmpeg-devel
Why?
On Thu, 7 Dec 2023, at 08:29, Paul B Mahol wrote:
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* Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
2023-12-07 8:54 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
@ 2023-12-07 8:59 ` Nicolas George
2023-12-07 9:06 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
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From: Nicolas George @ 2023-12-07 8:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches; +Cc: Paul B Mahol
Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-12-07):
> Why?
Because after twelve years libav has finally managed to take control and
FFmpeg is now essentially dead.
Thank you for your contribution in this.
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* Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
2023-12-07 8:59 ` Nicolas George
@ 2023-12-07 9:06 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-12-07 9:10 ` Nicolas George
2023-12-07 14:59 ` Leo Izen
2023-12-07 16:39 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
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From: Jean-Baptiste Kempf @ 2023-12-07 9:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas George, ffmpeg-devel; +Cc: Paul B Mahol
On Thu, 7 Dec 2023, at 09:59, Nicolas George wrote:
> Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-12-07):
>> Why?
>
> Because after twelve years libav has finally managed to take control and
> FFmpeg is now essentially dead.
You are delusional. libav is dead since a long time.
The fact that people are pushing against your patches does not mean they are wrong or an enemy.
> Thank you for your contribution in this.
You are welcome.
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* Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
2023-12-07 9:06 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
@ 2023-12-07 9:10 ` Nicolas George
2023-12-07 9:12 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
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From: Nicolas George @ 2023-12-07 9:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches; +Cc: Paul B Mahol
Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-12-07):
> You are delusional.
Oh, this is absolutely appropriate, especially from somebody who just
got elected to apply the code of conduct.
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* Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
2023-12-07 9:10 ` Nicolas George
@ 2023-12-07 9:12 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-12-07 9:14 ` Nicolas George
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From: Jean-Baptiste Kempf @ 2023-12-07 9:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas George, ffmpeg-devel
On Thu, 7 Dec 2023, at 10:10, Nicolas George wrote:
> Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-12-07):
>> You are delusional.
>
> Oh, this is absolutely appropriate, especially from somebody who just
> got elected to apply the code of conduct.
Keep antagonizing more people in the community, it's a great idea.
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* Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
2023-12-07 9:12 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
@ 2023-12-07 9:14 ` Nicolas George
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From: Nicolas George @ 2023-12-07 9:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-12-07):
> Keep antagonizing more people in the community, it's a great idea.
The community is dead. And you never belonged to it anyway, with your
superior attitude.
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* Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
2023-12-07 9:14 ` Nicolas George
@ 2023-12-07 9:16 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
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From: Jean-Baptiste Kempf @ 2023-12-07 9:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ffmpeg-devel
On Thu, 7 Dec 2023, at 10:14, Nicolas George wrote:
> The community is dead. And you never belonged to it anyway, with your
> superior attitude.
You calling someone "superior attitude" is amazing.
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* Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
2023-12-07 7:29 [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg Paul B Mahol
2023-12-07 8:54 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
@ 2023-12-07 12:32 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-12-07 14:29 ` Ronald S. Bultje
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From: Michael Niedermayer @ 2023-12-07 12:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
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On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 08:29:14AM +0100, Paul B Mahol wrote:
> Attached.
> MAINTAINERS | 55 -------------------------------------------------------
> 1 file changed, 55 deletions(-)
> 57486b662b3460fe6704e2ec236b0cd65cfe75f9 0001-MAINTAINERS-remove-myself-from-FFmpeg.patch
> From b249499fccb49705ade14362875ebf4d22628fa4 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Paul B Mahol <onemda@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 08:27:14 +0100
> Subject: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
>
> Signed-off-by: Paul B Mahol <onemda@gmail.com>
> ---
> MAINTAINERS | 55 -----------------------------------------------------
> 1 file changed, 55 deletions(-)
Is there anything i can do for you to reconsider ?
I dont think i understand the reason behind this
Is there something i can help with ?
thx
[...]
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* Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
2023-12-07 12:32 ` Michael Niedermayer
@ 2023-12-07 14:29 ` Ronald S. Bultje
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From: Ronald S. Bultje @ 2023-12-07 14:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
Hi,
On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 7:33 AM Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>
wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 08:29:14AM +0100, Paul B Mahol wrote:
> > Attached.
>
> > MAINTAINERS | 55
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > 1 file changed, 55 deletions(-)
> > 57486b662b3460fe6704e2ec236b0cd65cfe75f9
> 0001-MAINTAINERS-remove-myself-from-FFmpeg.patch
> > From b249499fccb49705ade14362875ebf4d22628fa4 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> > From: Paul B Mahol <onemda@gmail.com>
> > Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 08:27:14 +0100
> > Subject: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Paul B Mahol <onemda@gmail.com>
> > ---
> > MAINTAINERS | 55 -----------------------------------------------------
> > 1 file changed, 55 deletions(-)
>
> Is there anything i can do for you to reconsider ?
>
> I dont think i understand the reason behind this
>
I think many of us don't.
Paul, want to elaborate or point to a log of what happened?
Ronald
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* Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
2023-12-07 8:59 ` Nicolas George
2023-12-07 9:06 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
@ 2023-12-07 14:59 ` Leo Izen
2023-12-07 16:32 ` Nicolas George
2023-12-07 16:39 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
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From: Leo Izen @ 2023-12-07 14:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ffmpeg-devel
On 12/7/23 03:59, Nicolas George wrote:
> Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-12-07):
>> Why?
>
> Because after twelve years libav has finally managed to take control and
> FFmpeg is now essentially dead.
>
> Thank you for your contribution in this.
>
I believe the question was directed at Paul, who has not answered yet
(as of writing this).
- Leo Izen (Traneptora)
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* Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
2023-12-07 14:59 ` Leo Izen
@ 2023-12-07 16:32 ` Nicolas George
2023-12-07 16:48 ` Leo Izen
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From: Nicolas George @ 2023-12-07 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
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Leo Izen (12023-12-07):
> I believe the question was directed at Paul
That does not make my answer any less relevant.
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* Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
2023-12-07 8:59 ` Nicolas George
2023-12-07 9:06 ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-12-07 14:59 ` Leo Izen
@ 2023-12-07 16:39 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2023-12-19 13:11 ` Nicolas George
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From: Rémi Denis-Courmont @ 2023-12-07 16:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
Le torstaina 7. joulukuuta 2023, 10.59.06 EET Nicolas George a écrit :
> Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-12-07):
> > Why?
>
> Because after twelve years libav has finally managed to take control and
> FFmpeg is now essentially dead.
The question was for Paul. Even if you take Anton's knee-jerk threats of
reverts as LibAV-think, they were but the last straw (Paul wrote as much).
You have had heated arguments against Paul in recent times too. You have also
argued a lot of exercising your review privileges, which sounds like a very
libavish notion to me - a LibAV notion that made into written down FFmpeg
project rules. As a matter of fact, regardless of who was right or wrong, and
whence, I can only _observe_ that Paul did complain specifically about you on
the IRC channel. To be fair, he also abundantly abused JB there, although I do
not know how much of it was sarcasm vs actual attack.
But in any case, by that same logic, you could also be "thank[ed] for your
contribution in this". In my opinion, this would be unfair to you, and
accordingly, you are being unfair to whomever you designate by "libav".
(For the sake of utmost clarity, I am not so vain as to consider myself a part
of the former project known as libav with however few contributions I made
thereto.)
> Thank you for your contribution in this.
@CC: Yes, that second sentence can be construed as an ad hominem against
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* Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
2023-12-07 16:32 ` Nicolas George
@ 2023-12-07 16:48 ` Leo Izen
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From: Leo Izen @ 2023-12-07 16:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ffmpeg-devel
On 12/7/23 11:32, Nicolas George wrote:
> Leo Izen (12023-12-07):
>> I believe the question was directed at Paul
>
> That does not make my answer any less relevant.
>
>
I'm not going to have an argument with you about why a question to Paul
about a decision Paul made should be answered by Paul, considering that
he is the only one who can read his own thoughts.
When you reply to this email with some off-topic paragraph about
something something Libav something something, I'm not going to respond.
- Leo Izen (Traneptora)
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* Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
2023-12-07 16:39 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
@ 2023-12-19 13:11 ` Nicolas George
2023-12-19 20:34 ` Vittorio Giovara
0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas George @ 2023-12-19 13:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-12-07):
> You have had heated arguments against Paul in recent times too. You have also
> argued a lot of exercising your review privileges, which sounds like a very
> libavish notion to me
Only because you were not there at the time to get a first-hand
impression. That patches should be reviewed if possible was the policy
way before libav. That came with a set of implicit rules: waiting a few
days, then pinging, then waiting a few days and only then pushing
without review. The role of maintainer would affect the reasonable value
for “a few” days.
Paul insistence on pushing after barely 24 hours on code with a
maintainer that is not him always contradicting the way of doing things.
Furthermore, his refusal to give more time to the maintainer when asked
to is not just that: it is a level of rudeness and incivility
incompatible with working together with other people.
But Paul's attitude was annoying but never a real problem: resist his
eagerness a little and soon he finds something else to do and forgets
about pushing immediately for weeks or months.
For reference, libav turned the practice that patches should be reviewed
into a hard rule that patches must be reviewed. At the same time, since
they had kicked out or disgusted a significant part of the projects'
maintainers, they had nobody capable of actually reviewing the code. As
a result, when a patch was proposed by a major libav contributor, after
the ping somebody else who did not know the code would post a clueless
“LGTM”.
(The online archives of libav-devel seem to have disappeared, so I
cannot link to the example I bookmarked.)
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* Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
2023-12-19 13:11 ` Nicolas George
@ 2023-12-19 20:34 ` Vittorio Giovara
2023-12-20 9:17 ` Nicolas George
0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: Vittorio Giovara @ 2023-12-19 20:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 8:12 AM Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> wrote:
> Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-12-07):
> > You have had heated arguments against Paul in recent times too. You have
> also
> > argued a lot of exercising your review privileges, which sounds like a
> very
> > libavish notion to me
>
> Only because you were not there at the time to get a first-hand
> impression. That patches should be reviewed if possible was the policy
> way before libav. That came with a set of implicit rules: waiting a few
> days, then pinging, then waiting a few days and only then pushing
> without review. The role of maintainer would affect the reasonable value
> for “a few” days.
>
> Paul insistence on pushing after barely 24 hours on code with a
> maintainer that is not him always contradicting the way of doing things.
>
> Furthermore, his refusal to give more time to the maintainer when asked
> to is not just that: it is a level of rudeness and incivility
> incompatible with working together with other people.
>
> But Paul's attitude was annoying but never a real problem: resist his
> eagerness a little and soon he finds something else to do and forgets
> about pushing immediately for weeks or months.
>
> For reference, libav turned the practice that patches should be reviewed
> into a hard rule that patches must be reviewed. At the same time, since
> they had kicked out or disgusted a significant part of the projects'
> maintainers, they had nobody capable of actually reviewing the code. As
> a result, when a patch was proposed by a major libav contributor, after
> the ping somebody else who did not know the code would post a clueless
> “LGTM”.
>
> (The online archives of libav-devel seem to have disappeared, so I
> cannot link to the example I bookmarked.)
>
I am not too sure that bringing up a topic from 12 days ago with arguments
from 12 years ago is bringing any value to the conversation. Just as a
note, remember that a clueless LGTM is a better review than NO review, and
in fact it's the system that it's employed in any modern software house:
the master branch is usually protected and any PR/MR needs both CI pass and
at least a read from a developer.
Oh and for the sake of your (and our readers') time, don't bother replying,
I'm not interested in discussing 12 years ago affairs or modern development
practices here. I do invite you to evaluate whether your vision of ffmpeg
is still the one shared by the community as a whole though.
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* Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: remove myself from FFmpeg
2023-12-19 20:34 ` Vittorio Giovara
@ 2023-12-20 9:17 ` Nicolas George
0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas George @ 2023-12-20 9:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches
Vittorio Giovara (12023-12-19):
> I am not too sure that bringing up a topic from 12 days ago with arguments
> from 12 years ago is bringing any value to the conversation.
Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it.
> Just as a
> note, remember that a clueless LGTM is a better review than NO review, and
Uh. No, a clueless LGTM is absolutely no better than no review at all,
that is what clueless means.
> in fact it's the system that it's employed in any modern software house:
> the master branch is usually protected and any PR/MR needs both CI pass and
> at least a read from a developer.
I have a scoop for you: Libre Software projects are not “modern software
house”s where most effort is spent covering one's ass and trying to
blame somebody else for unavoidable problems.
> Oh and for the sake of your (and our readers') time, don't bother replying,
> I'm not interested in discussing 12 years ago affairs or modern development
> practices here.
You know, YOU have the power to stop wasting your time and ours: just
stop posting wrong and dishonest messages, and I will not have to
correct them.
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