From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D784823F for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2023 18:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170A068CD58; Tue, 14 Nov 2023 20:44:26 +0200 (EET) Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef2.ens.fr [129.199.96.40]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C25E68CD24 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2023 20:44:19 +0200 (EET) X-ENS-nef-client: 129.199.129.80 ( name = phare.normalesup.org ) Received: from phare.normalesup.org (phare.normalesup.org [129.199.129.80]) by nef.ens.fr (8.14.4/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id 3AEIiIib023566 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2023 19:44:19 +0100 Received: by phare.normalesup.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C179BEB5BB; Tue, 14 Nov 2023 19:44:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 19:44:18 +0100 From: Nicolas George To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: References: <2e3245e3-e71d-4f17-9c5b-ba2087d30049@mail.de> <185b7b63-188a-4804-abae-bc5e05b348de@mail.de> <864126c80d6143acfd0b3937a9673ac25578754e.camel@haerdin.se> <2797265.T4TqJhQMIy@basile.remlab.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2797265.T4TqJhQMIy@basile.remlab.net> X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Tue, 14 Nov 2023 19:44:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Repeat vote: GA voters list updates X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7636780795815510443==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============7636780795815510443== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2974GWvl5fwjOMU2" Content-Disposition: inline --2974GWvl5fwjOMU2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R=C3=A9mi Denis-Courmont (12023-11-14): > The French (XIXth century) Empire used notoriously public ballots, and th= e=20 > results were skewed to say the least. There is a good reason why ballots = are=20 > supposed to be confidential. >=20 > And I don't think FFmpeg is immune to the same sort of issues. Consider t= he=20 > case of developers with any kind of corporate affiliation or financial=20 > dependency. What's to prevent their boss from telling them how to vote if= the=20 > ballots are public? Nothing prevents their boss from telling them how to vote, even if the ballots are secret. The kind of secrecy a remote voting software can give us is =E2=80=9Curn-st= yle=E2=80=9D secrecy: once the ballot is in the box, now way of knowing whose ballot it is. But to prevent bosses from interfering, we would need =E2=80=9Cvoting-booth-style=E2=80=9D secrecy: secrecy as the ballot is bein= g cast and no way for the person who cast it to prove what they voted for. Vote-from-home systems cannot provide voting-booth-style secrecy: somebody can hover behind your back while you cast your ballot, or even demand you surrender your secret token. Urn-style secrecy, the only kind we can have, only protects from casual interference, like a kind in a conservative family not daring vote liberal, or an elected official voting against the interests of their biggest campaign donors. This is obviously not a problem for a libre software projects where contributors are all over the world and barely know each others. Now that the question has been raised and I had a chance to reflect on it, I think votes should probably be public. For votes about technical questions, it seems to me quite obvious. For votes about people, like the one now, it is more doubtful because it can lead to more personal polarization, but I am rather in favor too. Also, I will say it here instead of sending a separate mail: I find the strategy of legal intimidation about the GDPR disgusting. 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