From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5564729B for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE8568CA86; Tue, 3 Oct 2023 21:41:29 +0300 (EEST) Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef2.ens.fr [129.199.96.40]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C89868C9A5 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2023 21:41:22 +0300 (EEST) X-ENS-nef-client: 129.199.129.80 ( name = phare.normalesup.org ) Received: from phare.normalesup.org (phare.normalesup.org [129.199.129.80]) by nef.ens.fr (8.14.4/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id 393IfLXf021939 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2023 20:41:21 +0200 Received: by phare.normalesup.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9F1E8E007C; Tue, 3 Oct 2023 20:41:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2023 20:41:21 +0200 From: Nicolas George To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]); Tue, 03 Oct 2023 20:41:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin) X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6521555742195055603==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============6521555742195055603== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pASUcIOqgbcIRwXv" Content-Disposition: inline --pASUcIOqgbcIRwXv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kyle Swanson (12023-09-24): > DNS > --- >=20 > - Currently the DNS of ffmpeg.org is managed by Fabrice > - Michael was asked if he has control over the ffmpeg.org DNS register. > - Michael says he thinks he has some. > - Ronald would be curious to know what "some" means. > - Ronald proposes current project owners should have control over DNS a= nd > trademark. > - Ronald: Fabrice is not active, DNS and trademark should be in the > control of project members. > - Michael: "i think fabrice should stay in ultimate control", "he has > always acted in the best interests of the people". > - Ronald took a poll in the room, most agreed current project developers > should have control of this. > - This will need a vote, Fabrice will need to be contacted. > - We would prefer to bring voting results to Fabrice, hopeful that > Fabrice would be amicable to handover. Hi. For an impartial arbiter, NOT being involved in the project, not being part of the current drama, is a significant plus. But first, we must ask what we want: do we want an impartial arbiter, somebody who is trusted to have the best interest of a certain conception of the project in mind and who can step in in case of a failure of project democracy? Or do we not want that, just direct control over the DNS by the admins. Impartial and benevolent arbiters are hard to come by. We are lucky that we have somebody who can be considered impartial and benevolent by definition. I think we would be mad not to rejoice of it. It is worth remembering that, IIRC, if Fabrice was not the ultimate arbiter for the name FFmpeg, then the fork from >10 years ago would not have been a fork, it would have been a successful coup. And then, since the same causes lead to the same results, it would have progressively died like it did, just more slowly, because having the recognized name does override removing features that users enjoy. Since we are FFmpeg, not avconv, we are happy that the coup was thwarted by Fabrice's authority. We should look with a lot of suspicion any attempt to weaken this last line of defence. By the way, I think it is worth re-reading the mail announcing the coup: http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2011-January/106403.html There is a name that sticks out with regard to the present discussion. Another point. Fabrice chose to give us the code, he chose not to give us the name but only to lend it. That is his choice. Both the code and the name belong to him, to do as he will. As members of the Libre Software movement, we should rejoice he gave the code. But the name is something different entirely: code is about skill, names are about emotions. Even if he has not contributed for more than a decade, Fabrice still has the reputation for being the author of FFmpeg and FFmpeg still has the reputation for being one of Fabrice's projects, and unless I am mistaken, the first F still means Fabrice. So if Fabrice were to believe that what the projects would be becoming reflects poorly on him, hurts his reputation, he is entirely within his rights, moral and legal, to refuse to be associated with it any longer. =E2=80=9CSorry guys, you've turned my code to shit, I'm taking the name bac= k.=E2=80=9D (It also matches somewhat the way French copyright law: patrimonial can be ceded, but moral rights cannot.) So, if the General Assembly were to decide to try to get control over the trademark and DNS, it would be entirely within its rights, but I believe both the good of the project and Fabrice's own interest would suggest he should refuse. And I firmly reserve the right to make that point to him, privately. 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