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From: Nicolas George <george@nsup.org>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Cc: Andreas Rheinhardt <andreas.rheinhardt@outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 02/42] avcodec/refstruct: Add simple API for refcounted objects
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 21:58:36 +0200
Message-ID: <ZQygbCL34qGsJ00e@phare.normalesup.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AS8P250MB074467A29FDC6D9D2440DBC08FFAA@AS8P250MB0744.EURP250.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>


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Andreas Rheinhardt (12023-09-19):
> For now, this API is supposed to replace all the internal uses
> of reference counted objects in libavcodec; "internal" here
> means that the object is created in libavcodec and is never
> put directly in the hands of anyone outside of it.
> 
> It is intended to be made public eventually, but for now
> I enjoy the ability to modify it freely.
> 
> Several shortcomings of the AVBuffer API motivated this API:

<snip>

Thanks for stating qualms that I have had for a long time about this
API.

An API like this one would have been really useful when the new channel
layout structure was integrated. On a brighter note, it will be really
useful if we finally turn the library's global state into a structure
that can exist in multiple instances.

>					      This brings with it
> one further downside: It is not apparent from the pointer itself
> whether the underlying object is managed by the refstruct API
> or whether this pointer is a reference to it (or merely a pointer
> to it).

I do not count it as a downside: it is just how the C language is
supposed to work. When we get a pointer, there is nothing written on it
that says whether we are supposed to free(), av_free(), g_object_unref()
it or just do nothing. People who cannot track static pointer ownership
in their sleep should do Java.

Also, you probably do not remember, three years ago I started proposing
a similar idea, and it got bikeshedded to death:

http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2020-June/265227.html

The difference is:

You make this API universal using void pointers and callbacks, and you
make it convenient by hiding the internals using pointer arithmetic.

I achieve more or less the same using a template to generate code, with
the extra benefit that it is type-safe.

I see a few places in the code below where you pay the price for your
design choice. I think you should consider taking a few ideas from my
version.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-19 19:38 [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 00/42] New API for reference counting and ThreadFrames Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-19 19:56 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 01/42] tests/fate-run: Ensure that THREADS=random is actually random Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-25 20:01   ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-19 19:56 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 02/42] avcodec/refstruct: Add simple API for refcounted objects Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-21 19:58   ` Nicolas George [this message]
2023-09-21 23:07     ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-06 18:24   ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-06 19:43     ` Nicolas George
2023-10-06 20:20       ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-06 20:37         ` Nicolas George
2023-10-06 20:50           ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-06 21:22             ` Nicolas George
2023-10-07 21:03   ` James Almer
2023-09-19 19:56 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 03/42] avcodec/get_buffer: Use RefStruct API for FramePool Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-28 12:36   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:56 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 04/42] avcodec/h264_ps: Use RefStruct API for SPS/PPS Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-28 13:03   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-28 15:49     ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-02  9:39       ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:56 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 05/42] avcodec/hevc_ps: Use RefStruct API for parameter sets Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-28 13:13   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:56 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 06/42] avcodec/vp8: Use RefStruct API for seg_map Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-02  9:44   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-10-02 10:04     ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-02 10:14       ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:56 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 07/42] avcodec/wavpack: Use RefStruct API for DSD context Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-02  9:46   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 08/42] avcodec/dovi_rpu: Use RefStruct API for Vdr data Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-02  9:51   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 09/42] avcodec/refstruct: Allow checking for exclusive ownership Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 10/42] avcodec/cbs: Use RefStruct-API for unit content Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 11/42] avcodec/cbs_sei: Use RefStruct API for SEI messages Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 12/42] avcodec/decode: Use RefStruct API for hwaccel_picture_private Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-02 10:39   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-10-02 12:30   ` Lynne
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 13/42] avcodec/vulkan_decode: Use RefStruct API for shared_ref Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-02 12:31   ` Lynne
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 14/42] avcodec/hevcdec: Use RefStruct API for RefPicListTap buffer Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-02 10:47   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-10-02 11:07     ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-04  8:10       ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 15/42] avcodec/pthread_frame: Use RefStruct API for ThreadFrame.progress Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-02 11:01   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 16/42] avcodec/nvdec: Use RefStruct API for decoder_ref Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-02 10:58   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 17/42] avcodec/refstruct: Add RefStruct pool API Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-20 19:58   ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-09-21  0:28     ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-04  8:39   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-10-04 11:09     ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 18/42] avcodec/h264dec: Use RefStruct-pool API instead of AVBufferPool API Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-04 14:07   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 19/42] avcodec/hevcdec: " Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-04 14:12   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 20/42] avcodec/nvdec: Use RefStruct-pool API for decoder pool Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-04 14:28   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 21/42] avcodec/refstruct: Allow to always return zeroed pool entries Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-12 12:45   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-10-12 13:25     ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-12 13:56       ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 22/42] avcodec/vp9: Use RefStruct-pool API for extradata Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 23/42] avcodec/vaapi_encode: Use RefStruct pool API, stop abusing AVBuffer API Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 24/42] avcodec/refstruct: Allow to share pools Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-12 13:04   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-10-12 13:51     ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-12 14:04       ` Anton Khirnov
2023-10-12 14:10         ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-12 17:09         ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 25/42] avcodec/vp9: Join extradata buffer pools Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 26/42] avcodec/refstruct: Allow to use a dynamic opaque Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 27/42] avcodec/pthread_frame: Add new progress API Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-21 10:34   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 28/42] avcodec/mimic: Switch to ProgressFrames Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-21 10:38   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 29/42] avcodec/vp3: " Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-21 10:48   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 30/42] avcodec/vp9: " Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-21 11:04   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 31/42] avcodec/vp9: Fix race when attaching side-data for show-existing frame Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 32/42] avcodec/vp9: Reduce wait times Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 33/42] avcodec/vp9: Simplify replacing VP9Frame Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 34/42] avcodec/vp9: Replace atomic_store() by atomic_init() Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 35/42] avcodec/threadprogress: Add new API for frame-threaded progress Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-20 19:44   ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-09-21  0:28     ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-25 13:25   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 36/42] avcodec/wavpack: Use ThreadProgress API Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 37/42] avcodec/vp8: Convert to ProgressFrame API Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-25 13:35   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 38/42] avcodec/codec_internal: Remove FF_CODEC_CAP_ALLOCATE_PROGRESS Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-25 13:38   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 39/42] avcodec/hevcdec: Move collocated_ref to HEVCContext Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-25 13:42   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 40/42] avcodec/hevcdec: Switch to ProgressFrames Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-11-09  9:50   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 41/42] avcodec/pngdec: " Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-11-09  9:52   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-09-19 19:57 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 42/42] avcodec/ffv1dec: " Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-11-09  9:56   ` Anton Khirnov
2023-10-02 18:13 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 43/49] avcodec/qsv: Use RefStruct API for memory id (mids) array Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-02 18:13 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 44/49] avcodec/rkmppdec: Fix double-free on error Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-02 18:13 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 45/49] avcodec/rkmppdec: Check av_buffer_ref() Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-02 18:13 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 46/49] avcodec/rkmppdec: Use RefStruct API for references to decoder itself Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-02 18:13 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 47/49] avcodec/rkmppdec: Allocate AVDRMFrameDescriptor and frame ctx jointly Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-02 18:13 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 48/49] avcodec/v4l2_m2m: Remove redundant av_frame_unref() Andreas Rheinhardt
2023-10-02 18:13 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 49/49] avcodec/v4l2_(m2m|buffers): Use RefStruct API for context references Andreas Rheinhardt

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