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From: Nicolas George <george@nsup.org>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] What is FFmpeg and what should it be
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 14:39:27 +0200
Message-ID: <ZNTaf3MYSKGDdwtl@phare.normalesup.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5270900.4N9W3fTio7@basile.remlab.net>

Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-08-08):
> I have made some preposterous statements in my dark past, but I am pretty sure 
> that I didn't make any statement to that effect, no.
> 
> I did assert that there "are dozens of people, ostensibly including [you], 
> that depend on FFmpeg being ""Serious OpenSource TM"" in some way, for their
> livelihood, and millions for their computer use" in response to NG's argument 
> that FFmpeg should be turned into a fun experimental research project, and 
> that people who wanted to keep FFmpeg what he calls a "serious open-source 
> trademark" should just fork.

Not “turned into”, but restored. FFmpeg *was* a fun experimental
research project, and it was the reason it became so great: developers
then could try things that were not tried elsewhere, they were free to
take risks, to make mistakes and fix them.

And the, during the second half of 2000s decade, people like you took
more and more place, people who demanded absolute stability and rejected
all risks whatsoever. They started giving shit to Michael, then project
leader, trying to force him and everybody else to behave, according to
their own standards. They wasted the time of one of the most skilled
hackers in the field of multimedia having him perform tasks a few
baseline technicians could do.

And when it did not go as fast as they wanted, they staged a coup, with
all the terrible consequences we know.

Let me state it plain and clear:

The fact that people and companies choose to depend on FFmpeg for their
livelihood is their own problem, and their own only, it does not create
ANY OBLIGATION WHATSOEVER for FFmpeg.

It is even true for sponsors. They can gift FFmpeg hardware or money or
hosting, they can hope that FFmpeg will progress to be even more useful
to them, but FFmpeg has NO OBLIGATION WHATSOEVER to honor that hope.
(Except for tit-for-tat programs with contractual rules, like GSoC.)

If a sponsor tried to leverage their sponsoring to dictate the direction
of the project, threatening to withhold it unless they get their way,
then we should realize that sponsor is a dangerous asshole and sever all
ties with them immediately.

> No. You are taking for granted that SDR belongs in FFmpeg in the first place, 
> and that's exactly what people disagree with.

And you are taking for granted that it does not belongs in FFmpeg.

But what you refuse to realize is that it is only an opinion, shared by
you and a few “people”, backed by zero actual arguments.

As such, your opinion is worthy of very little consideration, a lot much
less than the opposition opinion that is actually backed by the
enthusiasm of users.

-- 
  Nicolas George
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-08-10 12:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-22 19:29 [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 1/6] configure: libavradio support Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-22 19:29 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/6] avutil/log: Add AV_CLASS_CATEGORY_RADIO_INPUT Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-22 20:30   ` Paul B Mahol
2023-07-22 19:29 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 3/6] avformat: add support for demuxers/inputs from avradio Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-22 20:35   ` Paul B Mahol
2023-07-22 19:29 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 4/6] avdevice/utils: add test for AV_CLASS_CATEGORY_RADIO_INPUT Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-22 19:29 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 5/6] fftools: avradio support Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-22 21:39   ` Lynne
2023-07-23 15:23     ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-23 18:49       ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-23 19:01         ` James Almer
2023-07-23 22:56           ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-24  8:19             ` Nicolas George
2023-07-24 15:57               ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-24 22:30               ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-25 14:17             ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-24 20:19           ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-25  9:37             ` Nicolas George
2023-07-26 10:37             ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-27 13:05               ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-27 18:36                 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-27 18:48                   ` Nicolas George
     [not found]                   ` <CC2992B9-B047-4724-8DE5-01C02CBE31FD@cosmin.at>
2023-08-01 19:51                     ` Cosmin Stejerean
2023-08-01 20:06                       ` Paul B Mahol
2023-08-02 12:46                         ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-02 13:00                           ` Paul B Mahol
2023-08-02 13:01                             ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-24  8:13         ` Nicolas George
2023-07-24 20:22           ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-25  9:33             ` Nicolas George
2023-07-25  9:51               ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-07-25  9:56                 ` Nicolas George
2023-07-25 10:16                   ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-07-25 13:55                     ` Nicolas George
2023-07-25 14:37                       ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-07-27 17:56                         ` Nicolas George
2023-07-28 11:07                           ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-07-30 13:04                             ` [FFmpeg-devel] What is FFmpeg and what should it be Nicolas George
2023-07-30 17:07                               ` Andrey Turkin
2023-07-30 18:29                                 ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-07-30 18:54                                   ` Nicolas George
2023-08-01  7:48                                 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2023-07-31 13:56                               ` Tomas Härdin
2023-08-03 13:25                                 ` Nicolas George
2023-08-03 20:50                                   ` Tomas Härdin
2023-08-02  1:44                               ` Vittorio Giovara
2023-08-02 12:55                                 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-02 12:59                                   ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-08-02 14:12                                     ` Brad Isbell
2023-08-02 14:19                                       ` Nicolas George
2023-08-02 14:26                                       ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-02 14:30                                         ` Nicolas George
     [not found]                                           ` <A3B35B92-8333-4637-B4AA-FA9D9750E784@cosmin.at>
2023-08-02 15:46                                             ` Cosmin Stejerean
2023-08-03 15:40                                               ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-02 14:20                                     ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-02 14:44                                       ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-08-03 17:45                                         ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-03 18:24                                           ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-08-03 19:25                                             ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-03 20:04                                               ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-08-04 17:09                                                 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-04 17:35                                                   ` Nicolas George
2023-08-04 23:17                                                     ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-08-05 18:55                                         ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-05 19:17                                           ` Paul B Mahol
2023-08-05 23:32                                           ` Vittorio Giovara
2023-08-06  8:28                                             ` Tomas Härdin
2023-08-06 19:53                                             ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-07 15:39                                               ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2023-08-08 15:22                                                 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-08 15:37                                                   ` Paul B Mahol
2023-08-08 18:53                                                   ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2023-08-09 15:59                                                     ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-09 16:24                                                       ` Paul B Mahol
2023-08-10 12:39                                                     ` Nicolas George [this message]
2023-08-10 14:58                                                       ` Vittorio Giovara
2023-08-12 17:12                                                         ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-10 15:01                                                       ` James Almer
2023-08-10 15:43                                                       ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-08-10 18:39                                                       ` Tomas Härdin
2023-08-03 11:38                               ` Tomas Härdin
2023-08-03 13:29                                 ` Nicolas George
2023-07-25 12:02                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 5/6] fftools: avradio support Tomas Härdin
2023-07-22 19:29 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 6/6] tools/uncoded_frame: " Michael Niedermayer

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