From: Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:51:27 +0100 Message-ID: <Z5qUz1BI-LzkjviU@phare.normalesup.org> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20250129161629.GB159671@haasn.xyz> Niklas Haas (12025-01-29): > I think the most important crux of the problem is a fundamental disagreement > between Michael and the "community" (for lack of a better term) about the role > of the CC (and by extension, the GA). That is a very biassed way of stating it. For one thing, it is not Michael alone on one side. *Some members* of what you call community have expressed violent opposition to Michael. But *other members* have expressed, support for Michael, yet other members have agreed to arguments on both side successively, and the majority have not expressed anything. Furthermore, you will notice that the people who oppose Michael the most violently are mostly people who initiated the failed hostile take-over 15 years ago (hence the importance of learning from history), who sided with the resulting fork or who work closely with them. That tells your these people who oppose Michael the most violently are not adverse to hurting the project if it further their needs. They do tread FFmpeg as a community, they treat it as a resource to be milked. Since acting in the best interest of the community is a defining trait of the concept, they should probably not be considered such. > Michael is under the impression that they > (should) serve a mere advisory role, with Michael himself having final say in > matters both technical and non-technical. Michael wanted a genuine democracy but is now realizing it leads to very bad outcomes. Regards, -- Nicolas George _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
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