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From: Andreas Rheinhardt <andreas.rheinhardt@outlook.com>
To: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH WIP 01/10] ffbuild/bin2c: Use zlib directly instead of gzip
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2025 21:24:19 +0200
Message-ID: <GV1P250MB0737D03FB3F143EA90DF588A8F70A@GV1P250MB0737.EURP250.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DM8P223MB0365A94011730F8302DFDF16BA70A@DM8P223MB0365.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

softworkz .:
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org> On Behalf Of
>> Andreas Rheinhardt
>> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2025 8:52 PM
>> To: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org
>> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH WIP 01/10] ffbuild/bin2c: Use zlib
>> directly instead of gzip
>>
>> softworkz .:
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org> On Behalf Of
>>>> Andreas Rheinhardt
>>>> Sent: Dienstag, 3. Juni 2025 16:34
>>>> To: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH WIP 01/10] ffbuild/bin2c: Use zlib
>>>> directly instead of gzip
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Andreas,
>>>
>>> thinking about the direction of this patchset, I came to this idea:
>>>
>>> How about ditching zlib altogether for this and replace it with some
>>> compact compression code right away?
>>>
>>> Something like these might be suitable:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/ariya/FastLZ/blob/master/fastlz.c
>>> https://github.com/richgel999/miniz/blob/master/miniz.c
>>> (licenses should be compatible for including the code)
>>>
>>>
>>> This would solve both problems:
>>>
>>> - zlib detection during build
>>> - zlib being unavailable at runtime when linked dynamically
>>>
>>>
>>> How do you think about this?
>>>
>>> I think it wouldn't matter when the compression is slightly less effective..
>>>
> 
> Hi Andreas,
> 
>> The compressed objects will be included in many binaries (and I guess that
>> most users will never ever use them...). They should therefore be as small as
>> possible.
> 
> What I meant is that when it would be like 5 or 10% less in compression ratio,
> the benefits would still outweigh. But I suppose you'll get pretty close to zlib
> anyway.

I'll try your tiny compression libaries as well as zlib and brotli and
report back.

> 
>> But the approach of simply including the code for compression is a good one.
>> It solves the zlib-detection-during-build problem and the .text size of the
>> encoding code does not matter given that bin2c only exists on the dev
>> machine. I'll implement this.
> 
> And - as I just realized after suggesting it - there are even more benefits:
> 
> - the dual code paths for handling compressed/non-compressed resources
>   Will become obsolete
> - same for the conditional pattern rules in common.mak
> - and finally, the configure parameters --disable-ptx-compression and 
>   --disable-resource-compression can be dropped as well

I do not intend to remove these options; in fact, we will always have to
keep the codepath for creating uncompressed objects (because otherwise
we would make zlib a hard requirement on the target system).

> 
> All in all it will be a big win on several sides. Sounds like a good plan 😊 
> 
> Thanks,
> sw
> 
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  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-16 19:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-02  2:38 Andreas Rheinhardt
2025-06-02  3:22 ` softworkz .
2025-06-02 22:33 ` softworkz .
2025-06-03 14:33   ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2025-06-03 14:47     ` softworkz .
2025-06-11  3:05     ` softworkz .
2025-06-16 18:51       ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2025-06-16 19:15         ` softworkz .
2025-06-16 19:24           ` Andreas Rheinhardt [this message]
2025-06-16 20:18             ` softworkz .
2025-06-16 22:15               ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2025-06-17  9:29               ` Nicolas George
2025-06-17 13:23                 ` softworkz .
2025-06-17 14:09                   ` Nicolas George
2025-06-17 14:35                     ` softworkz .
2025-06-17 14:40                       ` Nicolas George
2025-06-17 14:41               ` James Almer
2025-06-17 14:51                 ` softworkz .
2025-06-18  7:09                 ` Nicolas George

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