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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: > -----Original Message----- > From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Soft > Works > Sent: Monday, December 20, 2021 11:35 PM > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Politics > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ffmpeg-devel > On Behalf Of Michael > > Niedermayer > > Sent: Monday, December 20, 2021 3:50 PM > > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches > > > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Politics > > > > On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 06:31:38PM +0000, Soft Works wrote: > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: ffmpeg-devel > On Behalf Of > Soft > > Works > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2021 7:23 PM > > > > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches > devel@ffmpeg.org> > > > > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Politics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: ffmpeg-devel > On Behalf Of > > Michael > > > > > Niedermayer > > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2021 4:16 PM > > > > > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches > devel@ffmpeg.org> > > > > > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Politics > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 1 > > > 8, 2021 at 08:41:09PM +0000, Soft Works wrote: > > > > > > > I don't think that a camera exists that has a framerate high enough > so > > that > > > > you could produce videos at both framerates just from picking > original > > > > frames. > > > > > > I forgot to mention that I mean a high speed camera which can work at > such > > an > > > odd rate (least common multiple..) > > > > for sake of this argument being complete, teh video is computer generated > > so sampling at any time instance is possible and exact. > > Is that so? > > First of all, we need to decide about what kind of computer generation > we are talking exactly? > > Is it generating a point-in-time picture for each frame start time? > Assuming generated video of a situation where visual events that would > start > at 10ms, disappear after a duration of 20ms and repeat that every 40ms. > These things would never be visible in the EU video, but in the US > video. > > You mentioned "sampling", so I guess you mean that each frame would > represent > the appearance averaged over the frame duration, right? > Of course that's a much more correct way to reflect reality. > > Enlightened by this, let's go back to to your example. The EU frame has a > duration of 40ms, the US frame 33.3ms. The US frame start 0.02ms later and > is fully included in the duration of the EU frame. Seems I accidentally deleted a paragraph: The two frames are almost congruent in start and to a large percentage in duration, and as they are meant to present the same picture it cannot happen at all that only one of them would have a hard change (like from white to black or something appearing or disappearing within a short > If the US-to-EU conversion (or other direction) has been done in a natural > way without human intervention and explicit cutting, then the example is > busted once another time. > > Want I can't precisely answer (but wondering) , is whether it > would even pe possible to have single audio stream in the same container > that could work with both video..?^ _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".