Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization

[Soft Works <softworkz-at-hotmail.com@ffmpeg.org>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org> On Behalf Of
> Vittorio Giovara
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2025 11:51 AM
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-
> devel@ffmpeg.org>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 11:32 AM Soft Works <
> softworkz-at-hotmail.com@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org> On Behalf Of
> > > Vittorio Giovara
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2025 10:45 AM
> > > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-
> > > devel@ffmpeg.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 7:21 PM Michael Niedermayer
> > > <michael@niedermayer.cc>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > About people pointing to me as the cause of something they do.
> > > > Given iam in this project for over 20 years and iam the main
> author
> > > and
> > > > we had a fork long ago. With many people joining back together.
> > > There are
> > > > people who have had past hate and present hate towards me.
> > > > Whenever there is an oppertunity, some will point to me as teh
> > > > cause.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well "look who it is the consequences of my own actions"
> > >
> > >
> > > > It makes sense to look at these and ask "do they point to a
> real
> > > issue?"
> > > > is there something we can learn and improve or is this just
> dislike
> > > towards
> > > > me and are they just asking for me to be "hanged"/"removed".
> > > >
> > >
> > > Who banned someone without cause and due process, and deleted the
> > > archive?
> > > Who is undermining the GA and filibustering the ffmpeg
> governance?
> > > Who prevented the previous CC from operating?
> > > Who is ignoring the scam of the ffmpeg booths at trade shows?
> > > Who helped keep relevant parts of the infrastructure hidden for
> > > years?
> > > Who is preventing new roots from joining and actual
> infrastructure
> > > work
> > > being done?
> > > Who posted insulting images on social networks?
> > > Who quoted the STF an unreasonable amount of money for a project
> that
> > > *everybody* agrees is not worth that much?
> > > Who argued for MONTHS about dubious code features, and pushed
> code
> > > (later
> > > reverted) to the main tree because it served their own branch?
> > > Who is refusing to join community discussions in person (or
> > > remotely), and
> > > keeps posting walls of text that are hard to track and makes
> > > following the
> > > discussion harder than needs to be?
> > > Who is pretending to be democratic and trying to appear as a
> martyr,
> > > causing people to leave while they actually wanted to contribute
> and
> > > help
> > > steward this community?
> > >
> > > I don't want to get banned again for posting a bullet list, but I
> > > definitely see a pattern. AND THIS IS JUST IN THE LAST SIX
> MONTHS.
> > >
> > > The thing is NOBODY wants to see you hanged or removed, we're
> just
> > > pleading
> > > to your common sense and that you listen to the community,
> allowing
> > > for an
> > > independent governance to effectively operate ffmpeg. If you
> can't
> > > satisfy
> > > the community requests, then yes, the "unfriendly emails" will
> > > continue
> > > until this behavior is put to an end. And I know you won't
> believe me
> > > because I'm from "the other side", but once again I invite you to
> the
> > > FOSDEM ffmpeg meeting and see what the community really thinks
> and
> > > wants
> > > for yourself.
> > >
> > > I do belive one big part of some people leaving over the last
> years
> > > is that
> > > > they are not enough in power.
> > > >
> > >
> > > This reads like "I want them to be good minions while I continue
> to
> > > do what
> > > I want", but you're right it's off topic.
> >
> >
> > for (i=0; i<12; i++) {
> >     print("You did this you did that");
> > }
> >
> > if (!(<give us control over ffmpeg>)) {
> >     for (i=0; i<1000; i++) {
> >         sendEmail("<more accusations>");
> >     }
> > }
> >
> >
> > Sounds like the accusations are more a leverage than a concern..?
> >
> 
> Sounds like you are not adding anything to the discussion, but thanks
> for
> sharing your view.

You're very welcome, but which discussion? 

If this is the way you are discussing, then I don't want to see you shit-storming. 😃
I haven't followed the stories behind those individual points you are listing - I read a bit through things but for most of them, I'm not in a position (from knowledge) to do any judgement.

But what I can judge is your way of communication and presentation, plus the fact that this is at least the 4th repetition of the same content in the same aggressive form.

It is obvious that you are not interested in resolving the individual "points" you are listing. You want to gain more control over all aspects of the ffmpeg project (for "the community") and to fund that argument, you have assembled that list of "bad incidents" that all wouldn't have happened when the project would under control of somebody else (like you? >> or course "backed" by the community).

But community or not - it's always actual persons who have certain powers in their hands. 
And my personal view on that is that those who are speaking up so loudly and dirty for gaining control are the very last ones to which I would want to give such powers.

sw


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