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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: > -----Original Message----- > From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of > Paul B Mahol > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 4:18 PM > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches devel@ffmpeg.org> > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/4] doc/developer.texi: extend > the argument for submitting patches > > On 11/14/22, Soft Works wrote: > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of > >> Anton Khirnov > >> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 3:35 PM > >> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches >> devel@ffmpeg.org> > >> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/4] doc/developer.texi: extend > >> the argument for submitting patches > >> > >> Quoting Soft Works (2022-11-14 12:20:00) > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf > Of > >> > > Anton Khirnov > >> > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 12:08 PM > >> > > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches >> > > devel@ffmpeg.org> > >> > > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/4] doc/developer.texi: > >> extend > >> > > the argument for submitting patches > >> > > > >> > > Quoting Soft Works (2022-11-14 11:46:49) > >> > > > > Sorry, but you problems are entirely self-inflicted. You > have > >> > > been > >> > > > > told what changes need to happen right from the beginning, > >> > > > > repeatedly, and by several developers independently. > >> > > > > >> > > > And those are completed and settled, like I had state > multiple > >> > > times. > >> > > > It's ready for review for months already. > >> > > > >> > > Your stating something does not make it true, no matter how > many > >> > > times > >> > > you do it. > >> > > > >> > > My objections were not addressed. > >> > > > >> > > In your last resend, Hendrik yet again raised the start_pts > >> question. > >> > > As > >> > > far as I can tell, your explanation for why it's supposedly > >> needed > >> > > did > >> > > not convince ANYONE. > >> > > >> > What means "as far as I can tell" here? Do you have something to > >> > say about it, then please do? > >> > >> It means that I am not aware of anyone who changed their stance > based > >> on > >> your arguments, but cannot prove that no such person exists. > > > > I'm afraid, but everything you are writing is making references to > > others and what they would think or what you are assuming that they > > might think. > > > >> I did read your document, and my takeaway message from it is > "doing > >> it > >> properly is too hard". As long as that continues to be your > position, > >> you might as well not bother. > > > > This is ridiculous, and you know that. Or at least you would know > > if you would have really tried to understand the problem. > > > > And that unfortunately applies to some others as well. Nobody is > > willing to go deep enough to the point where it becomes clear > > that a "perfect" solution would only be possible by making > fundamental > > changes to libavfilter, which are complex, risky and something > > that would never be accepted from me, even when it would be > > the most excellent solution. I think this is pretty clear to > > everybody here, and trying to present this in a light as if > > I would just be too lazy to go for it, is just despicable, > > I'm afraid. > > > > I wish you could stop referring to others potential opinions > > and get yourself as much into the subject as it is required to > > understand the actual problem and talk for yourself. > > > > Because I would happily discuss alternatives > > with you and follow your advice, no matter when it takes > > a little more effort - as long as it will still be possible > > to handle all cases like with the current patchset. > > But I mean substantial and detailed advice based on an > > understanding of the problems, not the kind of "no, that's > > bad, I don't believe you that it couldn't be done like I > > think it's gotta be". > > > > I will happily, gladly and friendly work and converse with > > anybody who would be so kind to leave one's peripheral > > spectator position and get down with me to the core > > problem and discuss potential solutions. > > They can not admit they have zero understanding why and how code > works > Instead they propose some nonsense that hardly can be implemented. Nobody has actually proposed anything. I wish somebody had. "No, not like this, I don't care whether and how it can be done otherwise" - is not a proposal. sw _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".