From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B81144C8A for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:18:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC7868BE24; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 17:18:35 +0200 (EET) Received: from mail-vk1-f170.google.com (mail-vk1-f170.google.com [209.85.221.170]) by ffbox0-bg.mplayerhq.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B616968BD37 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 17:18:29 +0200 (EET) Received: by mail-vk1-f170.google.com with SMTP id b81so5095627vkf.1 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 07:18:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ZcdYkOeEmL9JyLRVa+WYJwoeLPLbj87FDNoaIR2f0TY=; b=S6Uzxnbn62DltZR3VxAnn4lRFgPZ2BMVsUpGTK/dDd+uwjIsvP4m6VbqpnzcmW1oIh OF6+4tbZAXFOdJohUtV2UmwPF3fducraXaClCNjV46z9SNBXKoEaVQQGAP8ky2q6Z7d6 aNDF/D7cjZruDv9PN1opkjpTkDwrBIDSuNxc7/Zyiw5ZjgelNz+32PvuIkwXI2En6RgU EGYC2PXqrJxAMbhJf63F2kp4Ipz8IsP6XM+JMpMbdpTXBKaw0fJnn1Pb2EVvqvRBmYsi q/8rQkpE7vcBoNiufU3P8+BWdv0ozoRolMwrtFAGp1wSI3qu3oNW3IupGVUEJ20Czk5p p0mQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ZcdYkOeEmL9JyLRVa+WYJwoeLPLbj87FDNoaIR2f0TY=; b=a6asEBDBbHLDgbY7glcvgb8EjQz78pU63HX7U0abRqImMbPqCJqs+F2aa3YcAOTajH k/6Dq/bd6Oa7S8EyKK1pSZ2BiiR0twx8gIquPR2zFh0iDATnEyxVymd6jVMcB626J1jR YRSaP+nHFu7tw8cHp+sZB1K9l252FVC5PaedbAoKIGOEI3Tilj4jM+01y2JbvPddfOZa v6cu6vXTdvTz0zCDgHR3cke18et+Ott1OZcFx1SdiHxeDbKtbdgu/Dgf85NExmVUzhFs nSpZJNPmA86aagL/3dP+7t9wzeIE/879/n6viI3CdufsX5eWCnvOpPYlnqNAWkwDEl+g BLFg== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pltqQbrOxTXRsoQ+hSOo6A8v8i1/PAEsaMRoFwHj9V4fP4oZf2w du3VP/aomXPbAXmQE5FKBd9HBJM32ty4X6uVhU1yY3p9 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf5oybArFpw4JIVJ2HL6SYWSeCz1xJWHbA1eqlQA1OEis2NdJM4FvmeKnDXhJ1cSpuo8rSX2KKanYt6hRQAVLJc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:a1c:b0:3b7:82e4:f3a1 with SMTP id 28-20020a0561220a1c00b003b782e4f3a1mr6385223vkn.17.1668439108316; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 07:18:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:612c:2428:b0:32a:5eaa:92e4 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 07:18:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20221114091309.15755-1-anton@khirnov.net> <20221114091309.15755-2-anton@khirnov.net> <166841958047.1198.11408751838101496304@lain.khirnov.net> <166842406666.1198.894449822855148822@lain.khirnov.net> <166843649962.26119.12307610011247756962@lain.khirnov.net> From: Paul B Mahol Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 16:18:27 +0100 Message-ID: To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/4] doc/developer.texi: extend the argument for submitting patches X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: On 11/14/22, Soft Works wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of >> Anton Khirnov >> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 3:35 PM >> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches > devel@ffmpeg.org> >> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/4] doc/developer.texi: extend >> the argument for submitting patches >> >> Quoting Soft Works (2022-11-14 12:20:00) >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of >> > > Anton Khirnov >> > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 12:08 PM >> > > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches > > > devel@ffmpeg.org> >> > > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/4] doc/developer.texi: >> extend >> > > the argument for submitting patches >> > > >> > > Quoting Soft Works (2022-11-14 11:46:49) >> > > > > Sorry, but you problems are entirely self-inflicted. You have >> > > been >> > > > > told what changes need to happen right from the beginning, >> > > > > repeatedly, and by several developers independently. >> > > > >> > > > And those are completed and settled, like I had state multiple >> > > times. >> > > > It's ready for review for months already. >> > > >> > > Your stating something does not make it true, no matter how many >> > > times >> > > you do it. >> > > >> > > My objections were not addressed. >> > > >> > > In your last resend, Hendrik yet again raised the start_pts >> question. >> > > As >> > > far as I can tell, your explanation for why it's supposedly >> needed >> > > did >> > > not convince ANYONE. >> > >> > What means "as far as I can tell" here? Do you have something to >> > say about it, then please do? >> >> It means that I am not aware of anyone who changed their stance based >> on >> your arguments, but cannot prove that no such person exists. > > I'm afraid, but everything you are writing is making references to > others and what they would think or what you are assuming that they > might think. > >> I did read your document, and my takeaway message from it is "doing >> it >> properly is too hard". As long as that continues to be your position, >> you might as well not bother. > > This is ridiculous, and you know that. Or at least you would know > if you would have really tried to understand the problem. > > And that unfortunately applies to some others as well. Nobody is > willing to go deep enough to the point where it becomes clear > that a "perfect" solution would only be possible by making fundamental > changes to libavfilter, which are complex, risky and something > that would never be accepted from me, even when it would be > the most excellent solution. I think this is pretty clear to > everybody here, and trying to present this in a light as if > I would just be too lazy to go for it, is just despicable, > I'm afraid. > > I wish you could stop referring to others potential opinions > and get yourself as much into the subject as it is required to > understand the actual problem and talk for yourself. > > Because I would happily discuss alternatives > with you and follow your advice, no matter when it takes > a little more effort - as long as it will still be possible > to handle all cases like with the current patchset. > But I mean substantial and detailed advice based on an > understanding of the problems, not the kind of "no, that's > bad, I don't believe you that it couldn't be done like I > think it's gotta be". > > I will happily, gladly and friendly work and converse with > anybody who would be so kind to leave one's peripheral > spectator position and get down with me to the core > problem and discuss potential solutions. They can not admit they have zero understanding why and how code works Instead they propose some nonsense that hardly can be implemented. > > Thanks, > softworkz > _______________________________________________ > ffmpeg-devel mailing list > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org > https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel > > To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email > ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". > _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".