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From: "Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel" <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
To: Kieran Kunhya <kierank@obe.tv>
Cc: "Jonatas L. Nogueira" <jesusalva@spi-inc.org>,
	FFmpeg development discussions and patches
	<ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Sovereign Tech Fund
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 16:20:32 -0300
Message-ID: <CALE=2=9VSvGipJDVqLmicPq5zR6YRsn5pCrZcYpBbO6_vnLGWw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK+ULv7WqpgaYnO_nGA=yEqfZoEw_-DPrA-U5CgNUECW88U0wA@mail.gmail.com>

That's not a problem at all; because you can divide the work into discrete
pieces after it's done (on the invoice), just like liberal professionals
(eg. accountants, lawyers, administrators, etc.)

The SOW defines what is acceptable on the invoice (so in the YUVJ case, for
example, it could be "code related to YUVJ implementation and bugs arising
of it, as well as review of the PRs/MRs associated with it, but not tagging
issue tickets, duplicated work or code formatting" — I have no idea, this
is just for inspiration), as well as the timeframes by when they should
submit the invoices (and if they need to submit any other proof of their
work, what and when). It should also define how payment works (typically by
hour or by code line, there's some leeway here though), what's the maximum
budget (specially if the metric is exploitable), the value of which unit of
work (defined before) which must not be above the market price.

Contributors are not employees, they don't need to login at 8 and logout at
17 for a fixed wage. In fact, they might not do anything and thus no money
be due to them at all. That's why we make a SOW, it makes clear what they
can do, how much they can earn, what will not be paid (usually unrelated
work) even if they do, and by when they should submit invoices and
evidences of the work they did to receive payment.

Do say if there are still questions, I'll be happy to answer and help here.

Regards,

Jonatas L. Nogueira (“Jesusalva”)

On Sun, Jan 28, 2024, 15:59 Kieran Kunhya <kierank@obe.tv> wrote:

> > Statements of Work and milestones (by definition) are for features.
>>
>> The SoW suggestion/need came from a lawyer that jonatas asked IIUC.
>> so i can just suggest to put work like what you list above into a SOW like
>> framework. Or maybe Jonatas can clarify, in case i misunderstood
>>
>
> My point is that ongoing maintenance can't be split into discrete pieces
> of work, nor arguably can a given timescale be associated with cleanup.
> For example YUVJ is difficult, until you remove it and see the bugs you
> don't know how long it will take. This is not suited to the bounty/SoW
> methodology.
>
> We don't need STF to be funding features, we need maintenance,
> infrastructure etc which all lends itself to salaried work.
>
> Kieran
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-28 19:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-28  3:25 Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-28 15:54 ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 17:12   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-28 18:59     ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 19:20       ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel [this message]
2024-01-28 19:30         ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-28 19:34         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 21:18           ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-28 21:33             ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 21:27           ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-28 20:06       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-28 20:32         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 20:34         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 20:37         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 20:42           ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 21:47             ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 18:31               ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 18:46                 ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-29 18:54                 ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 19:02                   ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 20:04                     ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 22:54                       ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-30  9:20                       ` Tomas Härdin
2024-01-28 21:34           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-28 21:39             ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29  2:26               ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-29 14:52                 ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-29 15:02                 ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 15:05                   ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-29 16:40                   ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-29 17:05                     ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 17:27                   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 17:36                     ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 17:43                     ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-29 18:11                       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 21:01                         ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-29 22:43                           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-30  6:30                             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-30 17:15                               ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-30 18:00                               ` Michael Niedermayer
     [not found]   ` <A40E9FF7-EC74-458A-A195-26EE8062992E@cosmin.at>
2024-01-29 22:23     ` Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-29 22:31       ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-30 10:12         ` Nicolas George
2024-01-30 10:19           ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-30 10:31             ` Nicolas George
2024-01-30 10:44               ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-30 10:46                 ` Nicolas George
2024-01-30 10:53                   ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-30 11:47           ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-28 19:17 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-28 20:33   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 14:38 ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-29 18:25   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 18:37     ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-29 19:21       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 20:09         ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-01-29 20:15           ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-30  6:48             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-29 20:19           ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-29 20:20             ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-29 20:36             ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-01-29 21:27               ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 11:19                 ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-29 20:41           ` Diederick C. Niehorster
2024-01-29 21:19             ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-29 21:11 ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-29 23:41   ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-29 23:53   ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-01-31 12:30     ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-31 21:26       ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-01-30  0:15   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-30  0:19     ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 12:59     ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-31 14:10       ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 15:17         ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-31 15:17         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 16:00           ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 16:03             ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 16:10         ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-31 17:04           ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 18:03             ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 18:22               ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 18:40                 ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 18:48                   ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 19:07                 ` Michael Niedermayer
     [not found]                   ` <A7F30D96-F8DB-45EA-9CDB-3545E3ECE0C9@cosmin.at>
2024-01-31 19:16                     ` Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 20:19                       ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 21:43                         ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 21:54                           ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 22:40                             ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 22:45                               ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-02-02 13:52                                 ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-02 13:58                                   ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 19:20                   ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 17:58           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 23:15           ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-02-01  0:16             ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-02-06  0:00               ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-30  1:48 ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-30  9:32   ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-01-30 10:07     ` Nicolas George
2024-01-30 10:13       ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-01-30 10:15         ` Nicolas George
2024-01-30 10:56           ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-01-31  1:07     ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 21:44   ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-31 21:55     ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 23:07       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-01 17:59         ` Anton Khirnov
2024-02-01 18:14           ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-02-01 22:55           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-05 10:21       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-05 11:53         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-02-05 13:10         ` Zhao Zhili
2024-02-01 19:22     ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-02-04  9:49       ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-02-04 10:02         ` J. Dekker
2024-02-04 10:09           ` Paul B Mahol
2024-02-04 13:41           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-04 14:38             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-02-04 19:28               ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-04 21:21                 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-04-12 23:43 ` Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel

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