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From: "Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel" <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
To: Kieran Kunhya <kierank@obe.tv>
Cc: "Jonatas L. Nogueira" <jesusalva@spi-inc.org>,
	FFmpeg development discussions and patches
	<ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Sovereign Tech Fund
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 16:30:23 -0300
Message-ID: <CALE=2=-9i=1Azw4=hVTsSO38jYDdchkKTP6sCDd8GfQYxrWZhg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALE=2=9VSvGipJDVqLmicPq5zR6YRsn5pCrZcYpBbO6_vnLGWw@mail.gmail.com>

Note: I have no idea what YUVJ is (I assume you want to remove it, not to
implement it?) and I forgot to mention "reverted work" (likely in the form
"work not yet merged or reverted within 30 days after being merged"). The
goal here was to make easier to understand what's expected.

Of course, I can help with legalese if you explain to me and review it
afterwards, just let me know in such case.

Att.

Jonatas L. Nogueira (“Jesusalva”)

On Sun, Jan 28, 2024, 16:20 Jonatas L. Nogueira <jesusalva@spi-inc.org>
wrote:

> That's not a problem at all; because you can divide the work into discrete
> pieces after it's done (on the invoice), just like liberal professionals
> (eg. accountants, lawyers, administrators, etc.)
>
> The SOW defines what is acceptable on the invoice (so in the YUVJ case,
> for example, it could be "code related to YUVJ implementation and bugs
> arising of it, as well as review of the PRs/MRs associated with it, but not
> tagging issue tickets, duplicated work or code formatting" — I have no
> idea, this is just for inspiration), as well as the timeframes by when they
> should submit the invoices (and if they need to submit any other proof of
> their work, what and when). It should also define how payment works
> (typically by hour or by code line, there's some leeway here though),
> what's the maximum budget (specially if the metric is exploitable), the
> value of which unit of work (defined before) which must not be above the
> market price.
>
> Contributors are not employees, they don't need to login at 8 and logout
> at 17 for a fixed wage. In fact, they might not do anything and thus no
> money be due to them at all. That's why we make a SOW, it makes clear what
> they can do, how much they can earn, what will not be paid (usually
> unrelated work) even if they do, and by when they should submit invoices
> and evidences of the work they did to receive payment.
>
> Do say if there are still questions, I'll be happy to answer and help here.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jonatas L. Nogueira (“Jesusalva”)
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024, 15:59 Kieran Kunhya <kierank@obe.tv> wrote:
>
>> > Statements of Work and milestones (by definition) are for features.
>>>
>>> The SoW suggestion/need came from a lawyer that jonatas asked IIUC.
>>> so i can just suggest to put work like what you list above into a SOW
>>> like
>>> framework. Or maybe Jonatas can clarify, in case i misunderstood
>>>
>>
>> My point is that ongoing maintenance can't be split into discrete pieces
>> of work, nor arguably can a given timescale be associated with cleanup.
>> For example YUVJ is difficult, until you remove it and see the bugs you
>> don't know how long it will take. This is not suited to the bounty/SoW
>> methodology.
>>
>> We don't need STF to be funding features, we need maintenance,
>> infrastructure etc which all lends itself to salaried work.
>>
>> Kieran
>>
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-28 19:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-28  3:25 Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-28 15:54 ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 17:12   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-28 18:59     ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 19:20       ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-28 19:30         ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel [this message]
2024-01-28 19:34         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 21:18           ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-28 21:33             ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 21:27           ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-28 20:06       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-28 20:32         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 20:34         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 20:37         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 20:42           ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-28 21:47             ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 18:31               ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 18:46                 ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-29 18:54                 ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 19:02                   ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 20:04                     ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 22:54                       ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-30  9:20                       ` Tomas Härdin
2024-01-28 21:34           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-28 21:39             ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29  2:26               ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-29 14:52                 ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-29 15:02                 ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 15:05                   ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-29 16:40                   ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-29 17:05                     ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 17:27                   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 17:36                     ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-29 17:43                     ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-29 18:11                       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 21:01                         ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-29 22:43                           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-30  6:30                             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-30 17:15                               ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-30 18:00                               ` Michael Niedermayer
     [not found]   ` <A40E9FF7-EC74-458A-A195-26EE8062992E@cosmin.at>
2024-01-29 22:23     ` Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-29 22:31       ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-30 10:12         ` Nicolas George
2024-01-30 10:19           ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-30 10:31             ` Nicolas George
2024-01-30 10:44               ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-30 10:46                 ` Nicolas George
2024-01-30 10:53                   ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-30 11:47           ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-28 19:17 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-28 20:33   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 14:38 ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-29 18:25   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 18:37     ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-29 19:21       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-29 20:09         ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-01-29 20:15           ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-30  6:48             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-29 20:19           ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-29 20:20             ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-29 20:36             ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-01-29 21:27               ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 11:19                 ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-29 20:41           ` Diederick C. Niehorster
2024-01-29 21:19             ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-29 21:11 ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-29 23:41   ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-29 23:53   ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-01-31 12:30     ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-31 21:26       ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-01-30  0:15   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-30  0:19     ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 12:59     ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-31 14:10       ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 15:17         ` Anton Khirnov
2024-01-31 15:17         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 16:00           ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 16:03             ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 16:10         ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-01-31 17:04           ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 18:03             ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 18:22               ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 18:40                 ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 18:48                   ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 19:07                 ` Michael Niedermayer
     [not found]                   ` <A7F30D96-F8DB-45EA-9CDB-3545E3ECE0C9@cosmin.at>
2024-01-31 19:16                     ` Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 20:19                       ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 21:43                         ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 21:54                           ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 22:40                             ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 22:45                               ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-02-02 13:52                                 ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-02 13:58                                   ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 19:20                   ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-31 17:58           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 23:15           ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-02-01  0:16             ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-02-06  0:00               ` Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel
2024-01-30  1:48 ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-30  9:32   ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-01-30 10:07     ` Nicolas George
2024-01-30 10:13       ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-01-30 10:15         ` Nicolas George
2024-01-30 10:56           ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-01-31  1:07     ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-01-31 21:44   ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-01-31 21:55     ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-01-31 23:07       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-01 17:59         ` Anton Khirnov
2024-02-01 18:14           ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-02-01 22:55           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-05 10:21       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-05 11:53         ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-02-05 13:10         ` Zhao Zhili
2024-02-01 19:22     ` Derek Buitenhuis
2024-02-04  9:49       ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-02-04 10:02         ` J. Dekker
2024-02-04 10:09           ` Paul B Mahol
2024-02-04 13:41           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-04 14:38             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-02-04 19:28               ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-02-04 21:21                 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-04-12 23:43 ` Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel

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