Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming vote: extra members for GA

[Vittorio Giovara <vittorio.giovara@gmail.com>]

On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 10:40 AM Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>
wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 09, 2023 at 07:11:37AM -0500, Vittorio Giovara wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 6:55 AM Michael Niedermayer <
> michael@niedermayer.cc>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Fabrice Bellard    (Founder of the project over 600 commits in FFmpeg)
> > > Aman Karmani       (17 authored commits in 2020-2023, recently active
> in
> > > 2023-June and work all over the codebase)
> > > Baptiste Coudurier (Pays for our fate server since forever, maintains
> 15
> > > things in MAINTAINERs, is the the copyright of 56 files, over 1900
> commits
> > > in FFmpeg)
> > > Moritz Barsnick    (Member of the 2020 GA but was not on jbs list)
> > > Lauri Kasanen      (Linux / PowerPC maintainer)
> > > Dale Curtis        (14 commits in 2020 was in the 2020-GA)
> > > Alexander Strasser (Root admin, just recently reported that he could
> not
> > > vote even though he was in teh 2020-GA, 3 things in MAINTAINERs)
> > > foo86              (maintainer and author of dca*, dolby_e*, dtsdec,
> s337m)
> > > Huiwen Ren         (8 matches in the codebase of his name, avs2* and
> > > related things maintainer)
> > > Martin Vignali     (over 200 commits in FFmpeg, left in 2019 because of
> > > hostility)
> > > Lou Logan          (over 100 commits in FFmpeg, left in 2020, also in
> the
> > > 2020-GA but not on jbs list)
> > > Matthieu Bouron    (over 200 commits in FFmpeg, recently active in
> 2022, 5
> > > entries in MAINTAINERs, 25 in copyrights)
> > > Ruiling Song       (vf_tonemap_opencl maintainer, added SIMD code to
> > > various bits of code, last active in git in 2020)
> > > John Stebbins      (over 100 commits in FFmpeg, last active in git in
> > > 2020, 1 copyright match)
> > > Ting Fu            (last active in April 2023, 24 commits in
> 2021-2023, )
> > > Tobias Rapp        (vf_readvitc mainatiner, last commit in Jul 2023, 88
> > > commits in FFmpeg)
> > > Shiyou Yin         (MIPS & LoongArch maintainer, 24 matches for his
> name
> > > in the source, last commit May 2023)
> > > Reimar Döffinger   (over 1400 commits in FFmpeg, root admin and last
> > > commit in Oct 2023, 49 matches for his name in the codebase)
> > > Aurelien Jacobs    (over 1000 commits in FFmpeg, 13 entries in
> > > MAINTAINERs, 70 copyright line matches)
> > > Hendrik Leppkes    (over 900 commits in FFmpeg, 2 entries in
> MAINTAINERs,
> > > 4 copyrights, last commit in Jul 2023)
> > > Vitor Sessak       (over 900 commits in FFmpeg, 28 copyright matches)
> > > Kostya Shishkov    (over 900 commits in FFmpeg, 162 copyright matches)
> > > Ramiro Polla       (over 600 commits in FFmpeg, 5 matches in
> MAINTAINERs,
> > > 22 copyright matches)
> > > Alex Converse      (over 500 commits in FFmpeg, 32 copyright matches)
> > > Janne Grunau       (over 500 commits in FFmpeg, 24 copyright matches)
> > > Andreas Cadhalpun  (over 400 commits in FFmpeg, 2 copyright matches)
> > >
> >
> > just noting some people in the list have cut ties with this project and
> > would much rather not be involved in anything related to ffmpeg -
>
> People who do not want to be in the GA should be ommitted, thats obvious
> i agree with that of course.
>
>
> > as a rule
> > of thumb it's probably safe to omit inactive developers and inactive
> > founders from the list, in my opinion
>
> That i do not agree with.
> For example iam inactive in SPI and i do NOT vote in SPI but i very
> much want to maintain my ability to vote if a situation arises that
> matters.
> Why ? FFmpeg has alot of money with SPI so I want to maintain my ability to
> cast a vote if a special situation arrises.
>

Right but you *are* maintaining an active interest in SPI because it
matters to you and the project, but your situation doesn't directly
translate to the people listed, who might consider being included
automatically as spam in the best case and offensive in the worst case.

if you flip this around. Some inactive contributors are very dependant
> on FFmpeg in their jobs. I do not belive they want to have no say in
> major decissions in FFmpeg.
>

I mean if they are "very dependent" maybe they should spend a minimum time
of "volunteer service" if they want to have a stake in voting matters.
Voting is a right but it has obligations too, and just diluting the GA with
inactive people (who might not even vote) won't do the project any good


> Why did i include people who left due to hostility?
> It was a simple thought. If you form a group of people who oppose
> hostility thats more likely to reduce hostility than if you form a
> group of people who have a thick enough skin to stay.
>

Sorry I cannot parse this sentence

As mentioned, in general we shouldn't just assume that people want the
extra baggage and responsibility of being part of the GA without the direct
involvement and candidacy, in my opinion.
-- 
Vittorio
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