Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization

[Vittorio Giovara <vittorio.giovara@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 11:32 AM Soft Works <
softworkz-at-hotmail.com@ffmpeg.org> wrote:

>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org> On Behalf Of
> > Vittorio Giovara
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2025 10:45 AM
> > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-
> > devel@ffmpeg.org>
> > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 7:21 PM Michael Niedermayer
> > <michael@niedermayer.cc>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > About people pointing to me as the cause of something they do.
> > > Given iam in this project for over 20 years and iam the main author
> > and
> > > we had a fork long ago. With many people joining back together.
> > There are
> > > people who have had past hate and present hate towards me.
> > > Whenever there is an oppertunity, some will point to me as teh
> > > cause.
> > >
> >
> > Well "look who it is the consequences of my own actions"
> >
> >
> > > It makes sense to look at these and ask "do they point to a real
> > issue?"
> > > is there something we can learn and improve or is this just dislike
> > towards
> > > me and are they just asking for me to be "hanged"/"removed".
> > >
> >
> > Who banned someone without cause and due process, and deleted the
> > archive?
> > Who is undermining the GA and filibustering the ffmpeg governance?
> > Who prevented the previous CC from operating?
> > Who is ignoring the scam of the ffmpeg booths at trade shows?
> > Who helped keep relevant parts of the infrastructure hidden for
> > years?
> > Who is preventing new roots from joining and actual infrastructure
> > work
> > being done?
> > Who posted insulting images on social networks?
> > Who quoted the STF an unreasonable amount of money for a project that
> > *everybody* agrees is not worth that much?
> > Who argued for MONTHS about dubious code features, and pushed code
> > (later
> > reverted) to the main tree because it served their own branch?
> > Who is refusing to join community discussions in person (or
> > remotely), and
> > keeps posting walls of text that are hard to track and makes
> > following the
> > discussion harder than needs to be?
> > Who is pretending to be democratic and trying to appear as a martyr,
> > causing people to leave while they actually wanted to contribute and
> > help
> > steward this community?
> >
> > I don't want to get banned again for posting a bullet list, but I
> > definitely see a pattern. AND THIS IS JUST IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
> >
> > The thing is NOBODY wants to see you hanged or removed, we're just
> > pleading
> > to your common sense and that you listen to the community, allowing
> > for an
> > independent governance to effectively operate ffmpeg. If you can't
> > satisfy
> > the community requests, then yes, the "unfriendly emails" will
> > continue
> > until this behavior is put to an end. And I know you won't believe me
> > because I'm from "the other side", but once again I invite you to the
> > FOSDEM ffmpeg meeting and see what the community really thinks and
> > wants
> > for yourself.
> >
> > I do belive one big part of some people leaving over the last years
> > is that
> > > they are not enough in power.
> > >
> >
> > This reads like "I want them to be good minions while I continue to
> > do what
> > I want", but you're right it's off topic.
>
>
> for (i=0; i<12; i++) {
>     print("You did this you did that");
> }
>
> if (!(<give us control over ffmpeg>)) {
>     for (i=0; i<1000; i++) {
>         sendEmail("<more accusations>");
>     }
> }
>
>
> Sounds like the accusations are more a leverage than a concern..?
>

Sounds like you are not adding anything to the discussion, but thanks for
sharing your view.
-- 
Vittorio
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