Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] STF 2025

[Vittorio Giovara <vittorio.giovara@gmail.com>]

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Paul B Mahol <onemda@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 2:53 PM Vittorio Giovara <
> vittorio.giovara@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 2:02 PM Paul B Mahol <onemda@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 12:59 PM Vittorio Giovara <
> > > vittorio.giovara@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 12:09 PM Paul B Mahol <onemda@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 9:09 AM Vittorio Giovara <
> > > > > vittorio.giovara@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 8:55 AM Paul B Mahol <onemda@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 8:53 AM Vittorio Giovara <
> > > > > > > vittorio.giovara@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 3:01 AM Cosmin Stejerean via
> > ffmpeg-devel
> > > <
> > > > > > > > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Reposting my question/comment here since Thilo hasn't
> had a
> > > > > chance
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > respond, but shouldn't these kinds of requests go through
> > the
> > > > GA?
> > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > anybody can do whatever they want with the ffmpeg name,
> > then
> > > > > what's
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > point of voting and following the established process?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Probably? I'm not actually sure what the process is for
> > getting
> > > > an
> > > > > > > FFmpeg
> > > > > > > > > booth at a conference. Is there a documented process
> > somewhere
> > > > for
> > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > should be done? If not this might be a good opportunity to
> > > create
> > > > > > one.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Agreed, do you have a draft you could share as a base of
> > > > discussion?
> > > > > > Once
> > > > > > > > defined, we could have the GA vote on it
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It might also make for a good topic of discussion at VDD.
> For
> > > how
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > drama there was about NAB on the list I was surprised there
> > was
> > > > > zero
> > > > > > > > > discussion about it at FOSDEM.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There were probably more important topics to discuss and the
> > > > > lingering
> > > > > > > hope
> > > > > > > > that the problematic points would have been handled better
> than
> > > by
> > > > > > > calling
> > > > > > > > people trolls
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regarding the "or you" part, I wasn't involved in securing
> > > > > > sponsorship
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > NAB or IBC. I did volunteer to help with NAB because I
> happen
> > > to
> > > > > live
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > Vegas and I enjoy spending time with other ffmpeg
> developers.
> > > I'm
> > > > > > happy
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > help at NAB next year as well should it happen again.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Noted, it should have said "or anybody willing to host/help a
> > > > booth"
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have no plans to attend IBC and no involvement with the
> > FFmpeg
> > > > > booth
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > IBC. I am merely trying to correct the perception that NAB
> > was
> > > > > > > > > cost-problematic, since no money was paid by the project
> for
> > > NAB.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't think anybody is suggesting that booths are
> > > > cost-problematic,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > rather they are lacking in process (one shouldn't allowed use
> > > > ffmpeg
> > > > > > name
> > > > > > > > "just because") and in scope (aka "the why" and what kind of
> > > > results
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > expected by investing time in said booth)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Said by prominent LibAV developer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > reported to CC :)
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > CC is fully controlled by prominent LibAV developers.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Not only is this factually incorrect, it's also unrelated to the
> topic
> > at
> > > > hand. No worries, this infringement is being reported to the CC as
> > well,
> > > > but please try to make an effort at doing better at least.
> > > > Thank you
> > > >
> > >
> > > Do not trust LibAV developers even when they are giving you gifts.
> > >
> >
> > I'm not giving you anything, please can you stop? I don't want to flood
> the
> > CC with emails, but I'll do so if that helps stifle this kind of
> behavior.
> > Please disconnect, grow up, be nicer to your fellow community members,
> and
> > just do better.
> >
>
> Thank you for your arrogant continuous behavior that match nicely with your
> latest code contributions.
>

I don't think I'm being arrogant when I ask you to stop abusive behavior.
Imagine if people responded with "Typical librempeg developer answer" to
all of your email, how would you feel about it?


> If you stop responding with mails on all FFmpeg mailing lists from now to
> indefinite time in future nothing of value would be lost.
>

Please reread what you wrote and appreciate the irony of the situation.

Needless to say, this is also going straight to CC :)
Please just do better, I believe in you!
-- 
Vittorio
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