Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization

[Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>]

On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 9:24 PM Michael Niedermayer
<michael@niedermayer.cc> wrote:
>
> Hi Kieran
>
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 07:39:38PM +0000, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> > > I remember such a IRC session before the libav fork.
> > > It is very similar to this here
> > > 4+ people, who simply accuse me of everything (on IRC though)
> > > this serves no purpose. There is no common ground here
> >
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > With Anton leaving the project because of you, Paul forking and James
> > leaving the CC because of your behaviour of banning and censoring,
> > have you ever considered the problem might be you?
>
> do you realize, that iam working on several proposals to improve
> the governance of FFmpeg ?
> to make it more robust, more fair and to give a larger set of the community a
> voice in the GA ?
> And that i intend to propose these to the GA for several votes.
> Thats how a democracy works, propose something and let people choose.
> Either way iam not done with this, and i dont want to rush it.

Just so I understand correctly, the person who censored and banned
someone during an election is lecturing me on "how a democracy works"?

> About Anton, i talked with him, what he wanted is that the GA as it
> is, make the decission on changes. Thats what i intend to do. He was
> not at all against having some vote for changes.
> Maybe he still leaves, the environment is super toxic so i would not be
> surprised
>
> About Paul, i talked with him through many mails over the last year
> and really tried everything i could think of to convince him to return.
> Trying to pin everything anyone does on me is very strange. It reminds
> me of politics. "Whatever happens the other party is responsible"
>
> About james, he is still in FFmpeg, still in FFlabs, I hope still
> in the new CC. And I hope he will stay. And ive talked with him too
> of course.

For Anton and Paul, those claims are demonstrably false from a simple
browse of the ML.
James resigned from the old and new CC because of your ban and censorship.

> Also, have you considered that the problem is you and the people on "your side" ?
> Just what you (plural) did to thilo. You surely noticed he is not
> posting much on the mailing list anymore. And also he is not in FFlabs meetings
> since a long time.

The operations of FFlabs are internal and unrelated to this discussion.

> Some people are spreading the story that thilo is stealing money.
> similar with me, in these threads, all kinds of random invented accusations
>
> And many other people left over the years in relation to some aggression
> from the very same people who attack thilo and me.
>
> So, iam sorry to be blunt, but as long as people here attack and accuse
> everyone they dont like. The responsibility lies on their side.
>
> There really are 2 ways forward. We can move forward together or people
> can fork/leave.
> Its really that simple, do you (plural) want to be in the same project as
> me ? Thats something you have to awnser. But you know I wont disappear
> from these accusations. Its just a way to recruite more people for a fork
>
> The community does not want the project to split again. Why dont you
> put the community above your personal ambitions ?

The project is already split because of anti-democratic actions of
banning and censorship (during an election).
Suggesting I or anyone else is recruiting for a fork (Paul
notwithstanding) is a defamatory accusation.

Kieran

> thx
>
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>
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