Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg Community Committee – Updates & Next Steps

[Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>]

On Tue, 4 Mar 2025, 19:01 Kieran Kunhya, <kieran618@googlemail.com> wrote:

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> On Tue, 4 Mar 2025, 11:17 Michael Niedermayer, <michael@niedermayer.cc>
> wrote:
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>> Hi Kieran
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 04, 2025 at 08:13:11AM -0600, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
>> wrote:
>> [...]
>> > Hi Michael,
>> >
>> > Was all the STF discussion around the first application done in public?
>>
>> No, jb contacted STF in the name of FFmpeg without any public discussion.
>> This crossed STFs own reaching out to FFmpeg. Which is how it was noticed
>>
>> The mail below is from STF to jb.
>>
>> After that i immedeatly asked both thilo and jb to talk with each other.
>> I also repeatedly asked for the STF stuff to be made public.
>> I quote a rather sarcastic example from me (in german) asking thilo at
>> the end
>> of this mail
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>> So again, we need more open communication, more forgiveness, more working
>> together and less distrust, some virtual hugs and smiles
>>
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>> From: Tara Tarakiyee <X>
>> To: jb@X
>> Cc: "Fiona Krakenbürger" <X>, Abigail Garner <X>
>> Subject: Regarding Your STF Application
>> Date: Tuesday, 30 May 2023 22:22
>>
>> Dear Jean-Baptiste Kempf,
>>
>> Thank you for your application to the Sovereign Tech Fund. We appreciate
>> the interest, but have a few questions about the timing of this
>> application. We have already reached out to ffmpeg maintainers through our
>> scouting process and gotten a response and arranged a call. We explained
>> how our funding works and asked that they go back to the ffmpeg maintainer
>> community and come back to us with a joint proposal that is agreed upon by
>> your existing governance structure.
>>
>> Given the timing of your proposal, are we to infer that you knew about
>> those conversations yet choose to apply independently? We much prefer to
>> have one process ongoing at the time, so we ask that you refer back to that
>> conversation and include your work there and we will continue considering
>> our support for ffmpeg through our scouting. If that is not possible for
>> some reason, please let us know.
>>
>> Please keep in mind that our mission at STF is to empower FOSS
>> infrastructure, so we support activities to improve security and
>> maintenance, but very rarely support new feature development, except when
>> there is a strong case for them in the public interest. Also it is
>> important for us that any supported work has the support of the maintainer
>> community.
>>
>> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Tara Tarakiyee
>> Sovereign Tech Fund
>> https://sovereigntechfund.de/
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>> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 18:37:13 +0200
>> From: Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>
>> To: Thilo Borgmann <X>
>> Subject: Re: FFmpeg development support
>>
>> > Michael, er hat bereits versucht, das alles im Dunkeln abzuwickeln. Er
>> hat bereits einen Antrag eingereicht, den er _nicht_ geteilt hat und auch
>> auf Nachfrage _nicht_ teilt. Nur dummerweise hat er uns von der Sache an
>> sich erzählt und dummerweise, ist ihm das auf die Füße gefallen.
>> > Es gibt einen Grund, warum er darüber auch immernoch nicht redet,
>> Michael. Warum denkst du, steht in seiner Mail nur "Habt ihr davon gehört?"
>> ?...
>>
>> Thilo dein Antrag ist public auf der mailing liste (und wiki) ?
>> nein?
>> wenn nein dann was ist es dunkles was du planst ?
>>
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> Please (as per your own declaration of transparency) therefore supply the
> rest of the email chain including all discussion with Thilo and/or other
> parties (e.g SPI) about STF.
>
> Kieran
>

Hi Michael,

I'm still waiting for this. Seeing as you are happy to leak private
conversations at will (both me, the CC, FFlabs and others), it's
interesting you've been so silent about this

I wonder why?

Kieran

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