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From: Kieran Kunhya <kieran618@googlemail.com>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 5/6] fftools: avradio support
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 11:16:34 +0100
Message-ID: <CABGuwEkd6tgTV-3G=J=1pzAaiRe173BFeq5pXj2RMugVXt-Raw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZL+cXrnkpGy9N3xl@phare.normalesup.org>

On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 10:56 AM Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> wrote:
>
> Kieran Kunhya (12023-07-25):
> > This is a completely incorrect and poorly thought through statement.
> > AM/FM are a microscopically small subset of SDR.
> > SDR is a massively complex field, bigger than multimedia itself. There
> > are permutations and complexity in things like DAB/DVB etc much more
> > complex than anything the FFmpeg API can handle (e.g physical layer
> > pipes).
> >
> > To draw the conclusion that all SDR is now fine in FFmpeg beacause in
> > your mind AM/FM did not require a large number of changes to FFmpeg is
> > incorrect to say the least.
>
> <sigh> Applying support for AM/FM now does not force us to accept
> support for more complex parts later, and support for what is now there
> is already an interesting feature.
>
> In other words, please all stop engaging in the slippery slope fallacy:
> reject objectionable patches if they ever come but stop blocking
> reasonable features.

As we have seen in FFmpeg, APIs are "designed" around basic things
like AVI and hacks upon hacks are needed to support anything more
complex. The API being written around AM/FM is history clearly
repeating itself.

Unlike you, quite a lot of people are able to comprehend this now and
don't want history repeating itself.

Kieran
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-25 10:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-22 19:29 [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 1/6] configure: libavradio support Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-22 19:29 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/6] avutil/log: Add AV_CLASS_CATEGORY_RADIO_INPUT Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-22 20:30   ` Paul B Mahol
2023-07-22 19:29 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 3/6] avformat: add support for demuxers/inputs from avradio Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-22 20:35   ` Paul B Mahol
2023-07-22 19:29 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 4/6] avdevice/utils: add test for AV_CLASS_CATEGORY_RADIO_INPUT Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-22 19:29 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 5/6] fftools: avradio support Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-22 21:39   ` Lynne
2023-07-23 15:23     ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-23 18:49       ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-23 19:01         ` James Almer
2023-07-23 22:56           ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-24  8:19             ` Nicolas George
2023-07-24 15:57               ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-24 22:30               ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-25 14:17             ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-24 20:19           ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-25  9:37             ` Nicolas George
2023-07-26 10:37             ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-27 13:05               ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-27 18:36                 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-27 18:48                   ` Nicolas George
     [not found]                   ` <CC2992B9-B047-4724-8DE5-01C02CBE31FD@cosmin.at>
2023-08-01 19:51                     ` Cosmin Stejerean
2023-08-01 20:06                       ` Paul B Mahol
2023-08-02 12:46                         ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-02 13:00                           ` Paul B Mahol
2023-08-02 13:01                             ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-07-24  8:13         ` Nicolas George
2023-07-24 20:22           ` Tomas Härdin
2023-07-25  9:33             ` Nicolas George
2023-07-25  9:51               ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-07-25  9:56                 ` Nicolas George
2023-07-25 10:16                   ` Kieran Kunhya [this message]
2023-07-25 13:55                     ` Nicolas George
2023-07-25 14:37                       ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-07-27 17:56                         ` Nicolas George
2023-07-28 11:07                           ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-07-30 13:04                             ` [FFmpeg-devel] What is FFmpeg and what should it be Nicolas George
2023-07-30 17:07                               ` Andrey Turkin
2023-07-30 18:29                                 ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-07-30 18:54                                   ` Nicolas George
2023-08-01  7:48                                 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2023-07-31 13:56                               ` Tomas Härdin
2023-08-03 13:25                                 ` Nicolas George
2023-08-03 20:50                                   ` Tomas Härdin
2023-08-02  1:44                               ` Vittorio Giovara
2023-08-02 12:55                                 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-02 12:59                                   ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-08-02 14:12                                     ` Brad Isbell
2023-08-02 14:19                                       ` Nicolas George
2023-08-02 14:26                                       ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-02 14:30                                         ` Nicolas George
     [not found]                                           ` <A3B35B92-8333-4637-B4AA-FA9D9750E784@cosmin.at>
2023-08-02 15:46                                             ` Cosmin Stejerean
2023-08-03 15:40                                               ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-02 14:20                                     ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-02 14:44                                       ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-08-03 17:45                                         ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-03 18:24                                           ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-08-03 19:25                                             ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-03 20:04                                               ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-08-04 17:09                                                 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-04 17:35                                                   ` Nicolas George
2023-08-04 23:17                                                     ` Kieran Kunhya
2023-08-05 18:55                                         ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-05 19:17                                           ` Paul B Mahol
2023-08-05 23:32                                           ` Vittorio Giovara
2023-08-06  8:28                                             ` Tomas Härdin
2023-08-06 19:53                                             ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-07 15:39                                               ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2023-08-08 15:22                                                 ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-08 15:37                                                   ` Paul B Mahol
2023-08-08 18:53                                                   ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2023-08-09 15:59                                                     ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-09 16:24                                                       ` Paul B Mahol
2023-08-10 12:39                                                     ` Nicolas George
2023-08-10 14:58                                                       ` Vittorio Giovara
2023-08-12 17:12                                                         ` Michael Niedermayer
2023-08-10 15:01                                                       ` James Almer
2023-08-10 15:43                                                       ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2023-08-10 18:39                                                       ` Tomas Härdin
2023-08-03 11:38                               ` Tomas Härdin
2023-08-03 13:29                                 ` Nicolas George
2023-07-25 12:02                   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 5/6] fftools: avradio support Tomas Härdin
2023-07-22 19:29 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 6/6] tools/uncoded_frame: " Michael Niedermayer

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