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From: Mark Reid <mindmark@gmail.com>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 06/11] avutil/half2float: adjust conversion of NaN
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:14:35 -0700
Message-ID: <CA+anCRnv-cg-cFf7k6L_eBOERxhROOWtAWJmr-0xGnQ1Sq95uA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f6b0af68-7169-434b-8dd3-a6257ac147ed@rothenpieler.org>

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 2:53 PM Timo Rothenpieler <timo@rothenpieler.org>
wrote:

> On 10.08.2022 23:43, Andreas Rheinhardt wrote:
> > Timo Rothenpieler:
> >> On 10.08.2022 23:24, Andreas Rheinhardt wrote:
> >>> Timo Rothenpieler:
> >>>> IEEE-754 differentiates two different kind of NaNs.
> >>>> Quiet and Signaling ones. They are differentiated by the MSB of the
> >>>> mantissa.
> >>>>
> >>>> For whatever reason, actual hardware conversion of half to single
> always
> >>>> sets the signaling bit to 1 if the mantissa is != 0, and to 0 if it's
> 0.
> >>>> So our code has to follow suite or fate-testing hardware float16 will
> be
> >>>> impossible.
> >>>
> >>> What does the exr spec say about quiet and signaling nans?
> >>
> >> Not sure how exr would be involved here.
> >
> > Your patch changes the output of an exr-test. The output of the exr
> > decoder is presumably determined by the exr spec. There is after all the
> > possibility that what hardware does in hardware and what this patch does
> > in software is incompatible with what exr specifies.
>
> The exr spec just says something along the lines of analogous to
> ieee-754 floats:
>
> https://openexr.readthedocs.io/en/latest/TechnicalIntroduction.html?highlight=ieee#the-half-data-type
> It barely ever mentions NaNs, other than that they exist. Which makes
> sense, given they don't typically appear in images.
>
> The only output changed is that for how NaNs are converted.
> And given the cross-validation with multiple hardware implementations,
> I'm confident that it's correct.
>

here is openexr implementation
https://github.com/AcademySoftwareFoundation/Imath/blob/main/src/Imath/toFloat.cpp#L78
It has been a while since I check but I believe the current implementation
matches this.

The fate sample: rgb_scanline_zip_half_float_0x0_to_0xFFFF.exr was created
to test this.
it contains every possible float16 value


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  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-10 22:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-10 20:47 [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 01/11] lavu/pixfmt: add packed RGBA float16 format Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 20:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 02/11] avutil/hwcontext_d3d11va: add support for rgbaf16 pixel format Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 20:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 03/11] avfilter/vsrc_ddagrab: add rgbaf16 output support Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 20:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 04/11] avfilter/vsrc_ddagrab: add options for more control over output format fallback Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 20:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 05/11] avutil: move half-precision float helper to avutil Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 20:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 06/11] avutil/half2float: adjust conversion of NaN Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 21:24   ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2022-08-10 21:36     ` Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 21:43       ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2022-08-10 21:53         ` Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 22:14           ` Mark Reid [this message]
2022-08-10 22:18             ` James Almer
2022-08-10 22:28               ` Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 22:37                 ` Mark Reid
2022-08-10 22:55                   ` Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-11  2:18                     ` Mark Reid
2022-08-10 20:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 07/11] avutil/half2float: move tables to header-internal structs Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 20:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 08/11] avutil/half2float: move non-inline init code out of header Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-11 20:46   ` Michael Niedermayer
2022-08-11 20:50     ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2022-08-11 21:16       ` Michael Niedermayer
2022-08-11 21:31         ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2022-08-14 19:32           ` Michael Niedermayer
2022-08-15  4:20             ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2022-08-15 18:09               ` Michael Niedermayer
2022-08-14 21:54           ` Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 20:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 09/11] avutil/half2float: use native _Float16 if available Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 21:03   ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2022-08-10 21:58     ` Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 22:02       ` James Almer
2022-08-10 22:51   ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 " Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-11  0:14     ` James Almer
2022-08-11 11:50       ` Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 20:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 10/11] swscale: add SwsContext parameter to input functions Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 20:52   ` Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 21:55   ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2022-08-10 22:02     ` Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 20:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 11/11] swscale/input: add rgbaf16 input support Timo Rothenpieler
2022-08-10 21:37   ` Timo Rothenpieler

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