Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Democratization

[Marth64 <marth64@proxyid.net>]

Hello Michael,

Complaint acknowledged. In the spirit of moving forward and de-escalating:

Would you be open to a scheduled IRC meeting where we can talk through
some of the project issues in real time?
Ideally it is moderated by a neutral party to keep it civil and to the
point of project problems without interpersonal arguments.

On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 2:26 PM Michael Niedermayer
<michael@niedermayer.cc> wrote:
>
> Hi CC
>
> please see my complaints inline below
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 09:36:50PM +0200, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Le tiistaina 21. tammikuuta 2025, 2.36.47 UTC+2 Michael Niedermayer a écrit :
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 10:38:17AM -0600, Marth64 wrote:
> > > > All this time people send back and forth emails attacking each other or
> > > > the
> > > > project could have spent toward investing in modern DevOps infrastructure
> > > > or discussing other advancements.
> > > >
> > > > It’s energy-draining to both read and write.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It makes me wonder do folks actually get enjoyment out of the drama?
> > >
> > > not me
> > >
> > > but what can i do?
> >
> > For example, you actually could:
> >
> > - Stop complaining about FFmpeg community members attending conferences and
> > discussing FFmpeg (e.g. VDD 2024).
>
> I have not complained about "FFmpeg community members attending conferences and
> discussing FFmpeg". Your statement suggests i did that, which i think is not ok
>
>
> > - Stop making inflammatory metaphores about community members (ditto).
>
> Can you provide links to your implied accusation ?
>
>
> > - Stop attacking conference organisers and hosts for not accomodating you
> > (e.g. Kwangwoon university faculty).
>
> I have not attacked "Kwangwoon university faculty", this is a strange way
> to deflect blame for VDD2024. In a room with several dozend
> microphones noone recorded the meeting, its not the fault of the room or
> who provided the room.
> Also it is not an attack (you can also see that i very intentionally do
> not name anyone personally). FFmpeg is a free software project. We have a
> open community and are welcoming to new members, meetings should be
> open to everyone local and remote and should be recorded so everyone can
> listen to them even when they are unable at the exact moment the meeting
> happens
>
>
> > - Stop posting insulting AI-generated pictures about other OSS projects on
> > social media (e.g. VideoLAN, on X).
>
> I have not done that.
> I had posted one joke on my personal twitter that i deleted a few hours later
> as people seem to have misunderstood it.
>
> Its interresting how a joke on my personal twitter that maybe less than 5 people
> saw before it was deleted is used here.
> (not to mention it is a copyright violation to spread my art/joke in a way it
>  was not intended. It was intended to make people smile and have a laugh. And
>  maybe think about issues but not to hurt people)
>
> > - Stop making seemingly false claims about colleagues (e.g. Josh and Marvin),
>
> Can you provide links to your implied accusation ?
>
>
> [...]
>
> > - Stop making utter lame excuses for the previous point (ditto, and causing
> > James to figuratively lose it).
>
> That sounds like an insult to me
>
>
> > - Stop defending ...
>
> not sure i did but really, defending someone is reason i get attacked?
>
>
> > - Stop victimising yourself on the mailing list (e.g. this thread).
>
> That sounds like an insult to me
>
>
> > - Stop misconstruing people defending themselves, others or their different
> > opinion as "attacks" against you.
>
> That sounds like an insult to me
>
>
> > - Stop criticising some of your business and/or business partners on the
> > mailing list (i.e. FFlabs).
>
> seriously, really, criticising buisness partners is the problem ?
>
>
> > - Stop demeaning the GA members, or the active voters within it,
>
> I dont think i have done that
> I complain about the structure not the people within.
>
>
> [...]
>
> > As far as I can tell, most actual attacks against you on this mailing list in
> > recent times were in response to your own critics or complaints.
>
> Looking just at the mail you wrote here. Did i cause you to write it ?
>
> thx
>
> [...]
> --
> Michael     GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB
>
> I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your
> right to say it. -- Voltaire
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