From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F0B24D6DA for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2025 00:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB35068E217; Thu, 3 Jul 2025 03:16:56 +0300 (EEST) Received: from flump.de (flump.de [185.163.118.210]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E8DA68E203 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2025 03:16:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from falbala.localnet (ip4d172419.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de [77.23.36.25]) by flump.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B1AF26E447B for ; Thu, 03 Jul 2025 02:16:49 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=flump.de; s=mail; t=1751501809; bh=dUTGqVtueSNM8P8kIdkv6BfxlF/hNDrNN9ZBi7kspK8=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=fivUUMtg71K/tscbCZdBWc8TNqAZOpnqZSkWXrsyJqthbk0LRIS+4D0toCjZz7tBw riYpb+ccwbBd1Xhb39RGMr9UPyey4gwvul0rxM9MkMsGl+yyfCUfSKDmI3t7eBHusj ipg+N1qJBpdqfFUQBf56qRms5y8J8I1Q1g+uw2w4= From: Gerion Entrup To: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2025 02:16:45 +0200 Message-ID: <6212824.lOV4Wx5bFT@falbala> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Introducing policies regarding "AI" contributions X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0327378644923865122==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============0327378644923865122== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart5064194.31r3eYUQgx"; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --nextPart5064194.31r3eYUQgx Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; protected-headers="v1" From: Gerion Entrup To: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2025 02:16:45 +0200 Message-ID: <6212824.lOV4Wx5bFT@falbala> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Am Dienstag, 1. Juli 2025, 12:58:23 Mitteleurop=C3=A4ische Sommerzeit schri= eb Alexander Strasser via ffmpeg-devel: > Hi all, >=20 > I do not like the branding of the LLMs as AI, thus I will for now > continue to call it "AI" in quotes. I'm open for better terms. >=20 > It was just yesterday brought up on IRC in #ffmpeg-devel that there > was at least one, marked attempt to include "AI" generated code[1]. >=20 > At least I would say that this particular patch series was rejected, > but there were was no explicit discussion and clear statement about > "AI" generated content; especially code. >=20 > Thus I want this thread to start a discussion, that eventually leads > to a policy about submitting and integrating "AI" generated content. >=20 > Leaving all ethical issues aside for a moment I still see 2 very big > problems with AI generated code: >=20 > * looks generally plausible but is often subtly wrong > * leading to more work, regressions and costs > * which often lands on a different group of people (other > projects, reviewers, bug finders, bug fixers, etc.) > * which are sometimes delayed for quite some time increasing > the costs of fixing them > * license/copyright violations > * this might be sometimes a non-issue with small changes > * but especially for complete components the risk seems high >=20 > There is a lot more to the topic and I probably forgot to bring up > many more important aspects and details. Please feel free to bring > more things up in the discussion! >=20 > There was a preparation in the musl project to put up a policy[2], > it has not yet been finalized and realized as far as I understand. Just to link it here. Remembers me on the Gentoo Linux discussion: https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/9007c921a8a57655ecb2027eb4be4bff0267= 3af4.camel@zougloub.eu/T/#t https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/AI_policy Best, Gerion >=20 > It also brings up the point, that it is not really related to > recent "AI" tech, but more to the origin of work and its handling. > Unfortunately "AI" made problems with this a lot more common. >=20 >=20 > Best regards, > Alexander >=20 > 1. https://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2025-April/342146.html > 2. https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2024/10/19/3 >=20 --nextPart5064194.31r3eYUQgx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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