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From: "Tomas Härdin" <git@haerdin.se>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] 5 year plan & Inovation
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2024 12:26:00 +0200
Message-ID: <585c2c9d567fca5a778d3f86a657e78c32c833cd.camel@haerdin.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240425000702.GW6420@pb2>

tor 2024-04-25 klockan 02:07 +0200 skrev Michael Niedermayer:
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 12:50:02AM +0200, Tomas Härdin wrote:
> > ons 2024-04-17 klockan 15:58 +0200 skrev Michael Niedermayer:
> > 
> > > * ffchat
> > >     (expand into realtime chat / zoom) this would
> > >     bring in more users and developers, and we basically have
> > > almost
> > >     all parts for it already but some people where against it
> > 
> > You mean inventing a new chat protocol? If so then please don't. We
> 
> If theres an existing protocol that serves the purpose then theres no
> need to invent a new one
> 
> I think at a minimum it should have "secure and private by default
> and always"
> (there are many solutions already when one is willing to give up
> security/privacy)

"Security" and "privacy" are relative terms.

If you want end-to-end encryption in a federated system then XMPP+OMEMO
is the way to go. Or Matrix I guess, but it isn't standardized last
time I checked.

If you want metadata resistance then Briar is the way to go. It's a
peer-to-peer store-and-forward network that tunnels all its internet
traffic through Tor, and also supports synchronizing messages over WiFi
Direct and Bluetooth.

There's also GNUnet and its associated protocols like psyc.

Short of using some complicated thing involving data diodes you're not
likely to do better than what's already out there. And nothing beats
not using computers at all.

/Tomas
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  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-25 10:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-17 13:58 Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-17 14:22 ` Lynne
2024-04-17 14:34   ` James Almer
2024-04-17 14:50     ` Lynne
2024-04-17 15:24       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-17 15:22   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-17 15:55     ` Jean-Baptiste Kempf
2024-04-17 18:22       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-17 18:31         ` Timo Rothenpieler
2024-04-18  0:22           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-18  0:42             ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-17 15:57     ` Frank Plowman
2024-04-17 16:24 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-04-18  7:52   ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-18  9:13     ` epirat07
2024-04-18 10:22       ` Andrew Sayers
2024-04-18 19:50         ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-18 19:56           ` James Almer
2024-04-18 22:01           ` Andrew Sayers
2024-04-20 21:26             ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-18  2:21 ` Aidan
2024-04-18  6:33   ` Paul B Mahol
2024-04-18  8:19   ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-18 10:10     ` Aidan
2024-04-18 20:15     ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-18 21:15       ` epirat07
2024-04-18 22:45         ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-21 14:36           ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-04-18  8:46 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-18  9:21   ` epirat07
2024-04-18  9:32     ` Roman Arzumanyan
2024-04-23  0:20   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-23  7:47     ` Andrew Sayers
2024-04-23  8:02       ` Lynne
2024-04-23  9:38         ` Andrew Sayers
2024-04-18 14:02 ` Niklas Haas
2024-04-18 20:53   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-18 21:13     ` James Almer
2024-04-18 23:19       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-19  6:02         ` Paul B Mahol
2024-04-19 14:50     ` Niklas Haas
2024-04-19 15:25       ` epirat07
2024-04-19 17:35       ` Zhao Zhili
2024-04-19 18:00         ` Diederick C. Niehorster
2024-04-19 18:06           ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-04-19 19:05             ` Paul B Mahol
2024-04-19 19:45               ` James Almer
2024-04-19 19:55                 ` Paul B Mahol
2024-04-19 19:48             ` Ronald S. Bultje
2024-04-19 21:57               ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-04-19 22:28                 ` Paul B Mahol
2024-04-19 22:31                   ` James Almer
2024-04-20  0:33                     ` Paul B Mahol
2024-04-19 23:23                 ` Ronald S. Bultje
2024-04-20 23:05           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-25  8:03             ` Andrew Sayers
2024-04-29  6:03       ` Davy Durham
2024-04-29 16:37         ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-04-29 16:44           ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-04-29 19:04           ` Davy Durham
2024-04-29 19:25             ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-04-30 19:05             ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-04-30 23:01               ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-02 13:47                 ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-05-02 14:20                   ` Kieran Kunhya
2024-05-02 14:34                     ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-05-02 17:44                       ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-05-02 18:38                         ` Ronald S. Bultje
2024-05-03  5:53                           ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-03 11:28                             ` Ronald S. Bultje
2024-05-03 11:33                               ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-03 13:54                                 ` Ronald S. Bultje
2024-05-03 14:33                                   ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
     [not found]                                   ` <3B289095-ED54-4590-B8C0-FF204218876E@cosmin.at>
2024-05-03 15:45                                     ` Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel
2024-05-04 19:28                                       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-05-04 21:25                                         ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-04 21:51                                           ` epirat07
2024-05-05  0:59                                             ` Zhao Zhili
2024-05-02 19:42                         ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-05-13  6:52                         ` Tomas Härdin
2024-04-30  0:11           ` Hendrik Leppkes
2024-04-30 18:48             ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-04-30 19:06               ` Hendrik Leppkes
2024-04-30 19:15                 ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-05-01  5:27                   ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-02 14:25                     ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-05-02 14:38                       ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-02 19:32                         ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-05-02 20:06                           ` epirat07
2024-05-03 13:23                             ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-05-03  5:46                           ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-03 12:58                             ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-05-03 13:29                               ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-05-03 13:48                               ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-03 14:41                               ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-03 17:30                                 ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-05-03 17:45                                   ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-04 12:48                                     ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-05-02 16:35                       ` Zhao Zhili
     [not found]                         ` <34D9D362-37E5-4BFF-BA5D-01918ED7C171@cosmin.at>
2024-05-02 17:17                           ` Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel
2024-05-04  1:11                       ` flow gg
2024-05-04 13:06                         ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-05-04 18:04                           ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-05-04 19:09                             ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-05-04 19:24                               ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-05-04 19:05                         ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-05-12 16:05                           ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-04-21  9:11 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-04-21 20:40   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-23 12:12     ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-04-24 22:00       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-25 15:15         ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-04-27 10:24           ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-27 16:39             ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-05-04 20:35               ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-05-05  3:06                 ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-05-05  8:14                 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-05-05  9:18                   ` Paul B Mahol
2024-04-27 19:07             ` Ondřej Fiala
2024-04-22  1:12 ` James Almer
2024-04-22 11:07   ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-22 11:32     ` Lynne
2024-04-30 17:42       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-06-17 18:34         ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-06-17 19:00           ` Nicolas George
2024-06-17 19:29             ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-06-17 23:03               ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-17 19:25           ` Vittorio Giovara
2024-06-17 21:02           ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2024-06-18 10:44             ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-06-18 22:38           ` Lynne via ffmpeg-devel
2024-04-24 22:50 ` Tomas Härdin
2024-04-24 23:06   ` Diederick C. Niehorster
2024-04-25  0:07   ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-25 10:26     ` Tomas Härdin [this message]
2024-04-27 10:53       ` Michael Niedermayer
2024-04-27 18:01         ` Tomas Härdin
2024-04-30 18:14           ` Michael Niedermayer

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