[FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg at NAB 2024

[FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg at NAB 2024

[Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel]

Hi,

FFmpeg will have a booth at the next NAB from April 14th to 17th 2024 in Las 
Vegas [1]!

We reiceived an anonymous corporate sponsorship for the booth, so there are no 
costs for the FFmpeg project to it (and no obligations, of course).

Any FFmpeg developer is welcome to join in and man the booth with me, especially 
any developers based in the US or other american countries!

Share with us your broken workflows, unfulfilled requirements, ideas for 
enhancements and after show drinks at W4232 [2]!

-Thilo

[1] https://cloud.e.nabshow.com/2024/
[2] https://nab24.mapyourshow.com/8_0/exhview/?hallID=W&selectedBooth=W4232
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg at NAB 2024

[Derek Buitenhuis]

On 11/1/2023 8:37 PM, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> We reiceived an anonymous corporate sponsorship for the booth, so there are no 
> costs for the FFmpeg project to it (and no obligations, of course).

This is certainly interesting considering we just had a giant thread about not using
or using SPI, with multiple people accused of having corporate interests.

- Derek
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg at NAB 2024

[Derek Buitenhuis]

Hi,

Followup question...

On 11/1/2023 9:25 PM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
> This is certainly interesting considering we just had a giant thread about not using
> or using SPI, with multiple people accused of having corporate interests.

I noticed FFmpeg is on the NAB floor plan.

This implies FFmpeg has signed a contract with NAB, as to my knowledge, you are
not on the floor plan without doing that.

There is one slight problem here... FFmpeg does not have a legal entity in which
such a contract could have been signed.

So who signed? The "anonymous" corproate entity, on behalf of FFmpeg, with out
our consent?

Pardon my French, but this is sketchy as all fuck.

- Derek
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg at NAB 2024

[Derek Buitenhuis]

On 11/19/2023 2:05 PM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
> So who signed? The "anonymous" corproate entity, on behalf of FFmpeg, with out
> our consent?

http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2023-November/317196.html

Prob unrelated I am sure.

- Derek
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg at NAB 2024

[Derek Buitenhuis]

On 11/19/2023 2:19 PM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
> http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2023-November/317196.html

FFS. Here is the right link: http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2023-November/316603.html 

- Deek
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg at NAB 2024

[Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel]

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023, 14:05 Derek Buitenhuis, <derek.buitenhuis@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Followup question...
>
> On 11/1/2023 9:25 PM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
> > This is certainly interesting considering we just had a giant thread
> about not using
> > or using SPI, with multiple people accused of having corporate interests.
>
> I noticed FFmpeg is on the NAB floor plan.
>
> This implies FFmpeg has signed a contract with NAB, as to my knowledge,
> you are
> not on the floor plan without doing that.
>
> There is one slight problem here... FFmpeg does not have a legal entity in
> which
> such a contract could have been signed.
>
> So who signed? The "anonymous" corproate entity, on behalf of FFmpeg, with
> out
> our consent?
>
> Pardon my French, but this is sketchy as all fuck.
>

In addition, the remaining costs of the booth, which in my experience total
around twice as much as the floor space itself need to be paid by this
corporate contributor.

I would not find it acceptable for SPI to pay these costs. I do not feel
donors would want their money spent on a corporate show in Las Vegas.

Also no plan has been provided about who will actually be present on the
booth.

Ragards,
Kieran Kunhya

>
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg at NAB 2024

[Michael Niedermayer]

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On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 02:26:22PM +0000, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
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> I would not find it acceptable for SPI to pay these costs. I do not feel
> donors would want their money spent on a corporate show in Las Vegas.

all SPI refunds must be posted to the mailing list and approved by the
FFmpeg community.
I have 0 clue if anything like this will be posted by anyone. But if its
not, there is no way SPI can pay it and if it is then everyone has an
oppertunity to object.
If theres no consensus to fund something then stefano and me will not
approve it. And SPI will not pay it.

So if a few people are against it and they state that publically in
the corresponding REFUND thread then there is NO way SPI can pay it

I cannot comment on anything else

thx

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg at NAB 2024

[Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel]

On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 9:46 PM Michael Niedermayer
<michael@niedermayer.cc> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 02:26:22PM +0000, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> [...]
> > I would not find it acceptable for SPI to pay these costs. I do not feel
> > donors would want their money spent on a corporate show in Las Vegas.
>
> all SPI refunds must be posted to the mailing list and approved by the
> FFmpeg community.
> I have 0 clue if anything like this will be posted by anyone. But if its
> not, there is no way SPI can pay it and if it is then everyone has an
> oppertunity to object.
> If theres no consensus to fund something then stefano and me will not
> approve it. And SPI will not pay it.
>
> So if a few people are against it and they state that publically in
> the corresponding REFUND thread then there is NO way SPI can pay it
>
> I cannot comment on anything else

To be clear I have no issue with reimbursements for small booths at
SCALE, LinuxTAG, FOSDEM etc.
But NAB is a big corporate show with very large costs for graphics,
furniture, union builders etc (put a number in your head and add two
zeroes to the end) and I don't feel donors would want their money
spent on this.

Regards,
Kieran Kunhya
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg at NAB 2024

[Derek Buitenhuis]

On 11/1/2023 9:25 PM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
> This is certainly interesting considering we just had a giant thread about not using
> or using SPI, with multiple people accused of having corporate interests.

Adding to the list of wtf NAB things:

https://twitter.com/JanetGrecoBP/status/1773342135514779700

    I will be with #GPAC on the #FFMPEG stand #W4232 during #NABShow, from 13-17th
    April in Las Vegas. If you're interested in cutting-edge #openSource #ultramedia
    video streaming & next-gen multimedia transcoding, packaging & delivery software,
    do stop by or DM to meet! @wearegpac

(Janet does PR/markey and stuff for Motion Spell, GPAC's commercial arm.)

I am sure this email will continue the long trend of emails in this thread being
routed to Thilo's /dev/null.

- Derek
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg at NAB 2024

[Kieran Kunhya]

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 20:37, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel <
ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> FFmpeg will have a booth at the next NAB from April 14th to 17th 2024 in
> Las
> Vegas [1]!
>
> We reiceived an anonymous corporate sponsorship for the booth, so there
> are no
> costs for the FFmpeg project to it (and no obligations, of course).
>
> Any FFmpeg developer is welcome to join in and man the booth with me,
> especially
> any developers based in the US or other american countries!
>
> Share with us your broken workflows, unfulfilled requirements, ideas for
> enhancements and after show drinks at W4232 [2]!
>

Hi Thilo,

Does this sponsorship include the cost of building, furniture, graphics,
booth design etc?
Having done booths for a decade, I can tell you this is the hardest part
and everything at a show costs what you think it does in your head plus two
zeroes on the end.
These elements cost more than the booth itself.

Note also in the US there are strictly enforced rules on unions building
booths so you have to hire in union labour.

Regards,
Kieran Kunhya




Regards,
Kieran Kunhya
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg at NAB 2024

[Rémi Denis-Courmont]

Hi,

FWIW, FFmpeg will most probably be granted a free community booth at the next SCaLE in 21x a month earlier also in South-Western USA. If this unfolds as it usually does, we will get confirmation in January.

There are no hidden costs *there*. But of course it's a very different crowd of visitors than NAB's.
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