From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B3D64CAC1 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2025 06:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FEA68C1FB; Tue, 12 Aug 2025 09:25:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from vidala.pars.ee (vidala.pars.ee [116.203.72.101]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F6DE687A7E for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2025 09:25:16 +0300 (EEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=202405r; d=lynne.ee; c=relaxed/relaxed; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID; t=1754979915; bh=l5NFXUVzaUah7YcLk2hKK1g jF/SKfNsUhTImRL6YWqI=; b=NfHqO3kXMqPbwKEIO7sy1UzNsfsRzmkiEtqTwGU+C/lS/x0z8o wCN+hTx9/y5DHOwD38/DA+xKg6GYRXq9pNuS71ckapYDC1MvzFr+/tLPQozFsmtyExTpooSaom9 XDIilN8b93rvGemSw/lsLNxp96e5EnLHQ1xscOjFjpCTCMWpoB+fVwlNJ1OHwvXNq7VDIlKIV0b i6IyEzW8X7kLmDiiyvWwPJJbSwVuEnIjy8XiXIX3k1hwxgrTARXIVH9+/bLyyuejtXk3Pw19uEI N8XjcvYGsrbrYOBjX+fYwfZAgjF/dyzy2cT1wzKTWmKJplaMTSltcQ5LyXO21i4wX8w==; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; s=202405e; d=lynne.ee; c=relaxed/relaxed; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID; t=1754979915; bh=l5NFXUVzaUah7YcLk2hKK1g jF/SKfNsUhTImRL6YWqI=; b=LPcNh86JTd/7SYy+CHNzW8B4vPwi8wIQNSF2nXxsVK3dtk31+B zE/WTMHicTj1cxBfe/yMFZQ7MwM5alxNolBQ==; Message-ID: <3fc086e3-cb3c-4d74-b6ff-7488c7535518@lynne.ee> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 15:25:13 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org References: <6e208946-690c-4cbb-9539-bd85df02430c@lynne.ee> <20250811124346.GY29660@pb2> Content-Language: en-US From: Lynne In-Reply-To: <20250811124346.GY29660@pb2> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Plugins architecture X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: On 11/08/2025 21:43, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > Hi Lynne > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 09:22:26PM +0900, Lynne wrote: >> Recently, the issue of plugins was raised. >> >> Michael pushed a patch to enable out of tree branches to be freely added to >> FFmpeg. I did not very much like the option of having officially-endorsed >> source plugins, as to me, it moved all the burden of maintenance to FFmpeg >> maintainers. > >> The commit was reverted, with the tentative agreement to open a discussion >> on the nature of plugins we would like to have. > > You force pushed the revert with standing objections 12 minutes > after a "binary choice" you created. > And without warning that you would push something I think I was being very clear. Your motive for pushing a huge project policy change that affected all maintainers after hardly a day of review was less clear. > for a third time, I am really not comfortable with this > mechanism being open, nor being merged after barely a day. I would > like to know whether you want to approve this temporary revert, after > which we can discuss this on the mailing list, or would like to accept > my addition of this being only available for official repositories.> We can discuss, that was my suggestion, theres no plugin from a non ffmpeg developer, not one so also not one with dlopen and none hiding dlopen and none breaking contract > okay, so option 1? > [13:48] its a binary choice.You said you wanted a discussion, which I took as agreement to my response, and now you have an actual discussion on this project-wide policy change. We are all very busy volunteers. Asking us to periodically inspect all projects included as source plugins for LGPL/GPL violations after an unreviewed policy change by a single maintainer is overtly wrong. I know you have a position that's more favorable towards plugins, and that this was a step towards that. But to me, this was by far the worst type of compromise. _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".