Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] STF 2025 - Rémi Denis-Courmont

From: "Rémi Denis-Courmont" <remi@remlab.net>
To: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] STF 2025
Date: Tue, 21 May 2024 22:42:00 +0300
Message-ID: <2184992.kemHQdqYc8@basile.remlab.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <32e8d940-90ad-4bd8-902d-4f9c2abea994@mail.de>

Le tiistaina 21. toukokuuta 2024, 21.43.44 EEST Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel 
a écrit :
> >> Same as above about that we should and STF would.
> >> Especially since no corporate interest usually pays anyone for these
> >> tasks
> > 
> > Sadly true, but...
> > 
> >> (in case of reviews it might of course be considered a good thing).
> > 
> > I think some review is better than none. There may be conflict of
> > interests, but they are weighed by the risk of being caught abusing the
> > review process.
> I hope you realize what you argue in favor of.

Yes. It's quoted above.

Are you claiming that *no* review is better than *some* review done in 
*public* for all to see by a paid professional just because the person is 
maybe biased?

First, even volunteers have their own biases. Any expert should have opinions 
from their experience, and that by definition makes them "biased".

And second, you can't have it both ways. Either we want people to be paid for 
review, and they will be answerable to their sponsor, or we want people to 
continue to work on their free time.

STF is an agency of the German government, applying German government 
policies. They certainly do seem to have their own biases, including on tech, 
e.g.: https://www.theregister.com/2024/05/20/huawei_germany_ban/ to take just 
the most recent example to come to mind.

> Reviews need to be unbiased and independent.

Ideally so but that's the land of utopia.

> STF sponsoring reviews could be an excellent help towards this.

If STF is willing to sponsor reviews, that's welcome. But that would certainly 
not be "independent".

> Corporate influence on the review process already happened in the past
> and the chance of getting caught is almost zero.

So how do you that it happened if it does not get caught?

And "I hope you realise that you are arguing for" Intel, Loongson, etc. 
employees to stop reviewing patches.

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