[FFmpeg-devel] Twitter/X spat on Youtube

[FFmpeg-devel] Twitter/X spat on Youtube

[Gyan Doshi via ffmpeg-devel]

Overnight, a SPI contributor to FFmpeg has posted on YT a rant about a 
'spat' with the FFmpeg twitter account.

Video is at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VkcAvqV24c

In 11 hours since posting, it has clocked up tens of thousands views and 
hundreds of comments.

Our outreach channels should not be confrontational or combative, 
irrespective of the merits. Even if the other party gets rude, a civil 
tone can be maintained. Who runs the twitter account and who wrote the 
posts featured in the video?

Regards,
Gyan
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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: Twitter/X spat on Youtube

[Christopher Snowhill via ffmpeg-devel]

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On Sun 26 Oct 2025 12:21:35 PM , Gyan Doshi via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> Overnight, a SPI contributor to FFmpeg has posted on YT a rant about a 
> 'spat' with the FFmpeg twitter account.
> 
> Video is at
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VkcAvqV24c
> 
> In 11 hours since posting, it has clocked up tens of thousands views and 
> hundreds of comments.
> 
> Our outreach channels should not be confrontational or combative, 
> irrespective of the merits. Even if the other party gets rude, a civil 
> tone can be maintained. Who runs the twitter account and who wrote the 
> posts featured in the video?

Does FFmpeg even have a Twitter presence? Is it even wise for anyone to
actually bother interacting with that site these days?

> 
> Regards,
> Gyan
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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: Twitter/X spat on Youtube

[Rémi Denis-Courmont via ffmpeg-devel]

Hi,

Speaking as a member of the CC,

Le sunnuntai 26. lokakuuta 2025, 8.51.35 Itä-Euroopan normaaliaika Gyan Doshi 
via ffmpeg-devel a écrit :
> Our outreach channels should not be confrontational or combative,
> irrespective of the merits. Even if the other party gets rude, a civil
> tone can be maintained. Who runs the twitter account and who wrote the
> posts featured in the video?

There are critics that I would level about our media team:
- misleading statements (1) that potentially leads to discredit,
- personal opinions that look like they represent that of the FFmeg community, 
even though they are actually points of contention (2).
And I understand that their salty tone is not to everyone's taste. But it does 
not seem to out of place on X, as opposed to LinkedIn.

The CC already received a complaint about that specific git-log X post, and 
frankly, I fail to see a problem with it. Mr Aaltonen denigrated FFmpeg and 
OSS multimedia in general, and he is the one that we should be pissed at.

FFmpeg merely stated the factual truth that he did not contribute anything. I 
think that the media team is well within its role to highlight the problem of 
OSS sustainability by calling out hypocritical statements.

Please ignore the drama-tuber or better yet, just downvote the video. There is 
no shortage of bruised egos, know-it-all's and bottom-feeding click-baiters on 
YouTube.


(1) Dubious performance claims extracted from a presentation at last year's 
VDD.
(2) Dissing programming languages other than C and assembler. (And FWIW, Rust 
integration with assembler is way better than C's at this point.)

-- 
Rémi Denis-Courmont
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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Twitter/X spat on Youtube

[Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel]

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Hi Everyone

On Sun, Oct 26, 2025 at 12:21:35PM +0530, Gyan Doshi via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> Overnight, a SPI contributor to FFmpeg has posted on YT a rant about a
> 'spat' with the FFmpeg twitter account.
> 
> Video is at
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VkcAvqV24c
> 
> In 11 hours since posting, it has clocked up tens of thousands views and
> hundreds of comments.
> 

> Our outreach channels should not be confrontational or combative,
> irrespective of the merits. Even if the other party gets rude, a civil tone
> can be maintained.

I fully agree


> Who runs the twitter account and who wrote the posts
> featured in the video?

Ultimately i and reynaldo control the twitter account.
Reynaldo did not write these messages, nor did I.
Access is then delegated to several other accounts.

One of the accounts this is delegated to, wrote these messages.

Quick vote, should the delegation from where this came from, be revoked to FFmpeg social media?
(vote ends in 7 days)

Please reply on ffmpeg-devel with your choice:

[R] revoke access

[K] keep access

thx

[...]

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If you think the mosad wants you dead since a long time then you are either
wrong or dead since a long time.

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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Twitter/X spat on Youtube

[Gyan Doshi via ffmpeg-devel]

On 2025-10-26 07:26 pm, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> Hi Everyone
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2025 at 12:21:35PM +0530, Gyan Doshi via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
>> Who runs the twitter account and who wrote the posts
>> featured in the video?
> Ultimately i and reynaldo control the twitter account.
> Reynaldo did not write these messages, nor did I.
> Access is then delegated to several other accounts.
>
> One of the accounts this is delegated to, wrote these messages.

Who is it?

The person posted using the official project account on a public forum. 
There is no expectation of privacy in this case.

> Quick vote, should the delegation from where this came from, be revoked to FFmpeg social media?
> (vote ends in 7 days)

Start the poll in a separate thread.

Regards,
Gyan
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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Twitter/X spat on Youtube

[Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel]

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Hi

On Sun, Oct 26, 2025 at 08:06:01PM +0530, Gyan Doshi via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2025-10-26 07:26 pm, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > Hi Everyone
> > 
> > On Sun, Oct 26, 2025 at 12:21:35PM +0530, Gyan Doshi via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> > > Who runs the twitter account and who wrote the posts
> > > featured in the video?
> > Ultimately i and reynaldo control the twitter account.
> > Reynaldo did not write these messages, nor did I.
> > Access is then delegated to several other accounts.
> > 
> > One of the accounts this is delegated to, wrote these messages.
> 
> Who is it?
> 
> The person posted using the official project account on a public forum.
> There is no expectation of privacy in this case.

I agree, but iam not here to publically shame people, if i can avoid it.

Also while i know the delegated account it came from, And thats a personal
account for a person. This account theoretically may (or may not) have subdelegated.

I have asked who exactly wrote the tweets:

<?> If you need some explanation of twitter, ?? and I can explain.
<?> I won't reply on the ML because there is one person on X who has called for my "assassination"
<?> ?? and ??? participate a lot on X with the ffmpeg account
<michaelni> yes, id like to have an explanation what happened and who wrote these tweets referred to in the video
<?> The tweets are highly selective



> 
> > Quick vote, should the delegation from where this came from, be revoked to FFmpeg social media?
> > (vote ends in 7 days)
> 
> Start the poll in a separate thread.

done

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Modern terrorism, a quick summary: Need oil, start war with country that
has oil, kill hundread thousand in war. Let country fall into chaos,
be surprised about raise of fundamantalists. Drop more bombs, kill more
people, be surprised about them taking revenge and drop even more bombs
and strip your own citizens of their rights and freedoms. to be continued

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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Twitter/X spat on Youtube

[Rémi Denis-Courmont via ffmpeg-devel]

Le sunnuntai 26. lokakuuta 2025, 15.56.30 Itä-Euroopan normaaliaika Michael 
Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel a écrit :
> Quick vote, should the delegation from where this came from, be revoked to
> FFmpeg social media? (vote ends in 7 days)

> Please reply on ffmpeg-devel with your choice:
> 
> [R] revoke access
> 
> [K] keep access

It's okay to discuss the problem that Gyan raised, but calling for that sort 
of vote in that way is totally inappropriate.

It sets a really bad and dumb precedent, that anyone with moderate clout on a 
social network can call for the cancellation of members of the FFmpeg 
community. It could also be construed as bullying.

If there is an issue that the GA cannot resolve, you can appeal to the CC, and 
ultimately call for a GA vote, but we are not there (yet).

-- 
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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Twitter/X spat on Youtube

[Niklas Haas via ffmpeg-devel]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 14:56:30 +0100 Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc> wrote:
> Quick vote, should the delegation from where this came from, be revoked to FFmpeg social media?
> (vote ends in 7 days)
>
> Please reply on ffmpeg-devel with your choice:
>
> [R] revoke access
>
> [K] keep access
>
> thx

Hi,

I think we should delete our Twitter account and stop engaging with that
platform. It has never been good, usable, nor effective to reach any sort
of target audience worth engaging, and I don't see that ever changing.

My 2 cents
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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Twitter/X spat on Youtube

[Philip Langdale via ffmpeg-devel]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 17:01:51 +0100
Niklas Haas <ffmpeg@haasn.xyz> wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 14:56:30 +0100 Michael Niedermayer
> <michael@niedermayer.cc> wrote:
> > Quick vote, should the delegation from where this came from, be
> > revoked to FFmpeg social media? (vote ends in 7 days)
> >
> > Please reply on ffmpeg-devel with your choice:
> >
> > [R] revoke access
> >
> > [K] keep access
> >
> > thx  
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think we should delete our Twitter account and stop engaging with
> that platform. It has never been good, usable, nor effective to reach
> any sort of target audience worth engaging, and I don't see that ever
> changing.
> 
> My 2 cents

I will echo Niklas here. I would vote to remove our presence from
Twitter.

In the absence of that option: K


--phil
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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Twitter/X spat on Youtube

[Steven Liu via ffmpeg-devel]

Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>于2025年10月26日
周日22:13写道：

> Hi Everyone


Hi

>
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2025 at 12:21:35PM +0530, Gyan Doshi via ffmpeg-devel
> wrote:
> > Overnight, a SPI contributor to FFmpeg has posted on YT a rant about a
> > 'spat' with the FFmpeg twitter account.
> >
> > Video is at
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VkcAvqV24c
> >
> > In 11 hours since posting, it has clocked up tens of thousands views and
> > hundreds of comments.
> >
>
> > Our outreach channels should not be confrontational or combative,
> > irrespective of the merits. Even if the other party gets rude, a civil
> tone
> > can be maintained.
>
> I fully agree
>
>
> > Who runs the twitter account and who wrote the posts
> > featured in the video?
>
> Ultimately i and reynaldo control the twitter account.
> Reynaldo did not write these messages, nor did I.
> Access is then delegated to several other accounts.
>
> One of the accounts this is delegated to, wrote these messages.
>
> Quick vote, should the delegation from where this came from, be revoked to
> FFmpeg social media?
> (vote ends in 7 days)
>
> Please reply on ffmpeg-devel with your choice:
>
> [R] revoke access
>
> [K] keep access



I've read the content of ffmpeg's x account, and most of the time,
malicious responses are caused by others responding unkindly to ffmpeg's x
account and its comments. ffmpeg's x account sometimes speaks out to
maintain the reputation of video developers, sometimes to promote it, and
sometimes to spread the word. CC could standardize the rules of use for
ffmpeg's x account, such as "don't easily get involved in ideological
struggles." I think i choose K


Thanks
Steven


>
> thx
>
> [...]
>
> --
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>
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