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boundary="E0vYLG400wA4gcQW" Content-Disposition: inline --E0vYLG400wA4gcQW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Martin On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 10:54:19PM +0300, Martin Storsj=C3=B6 via ffmpeg-de= vel wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2025, Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel wrote: >=20 > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 02:12:20PM +0300, Martin Storsj=C3=B6 via ffmpe= g-devel wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Sep 2025, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > >=20 > > > > Hi all > > > >=20 > > > > 2 months ago we voted on testing Forgejo vs Gitlab, we picked and t= ested > > > > Forgejo. And as said in that vote, (and surprisingly, i have not fo= rgotten it) > > > > heres the "after testing" discussion and vote > > > >=20 > > > > do we want to keep Forgejo or switch back to the ML workflow > > > > (or something else) > > > >=20 > > > > F. keep Forgejo as primary forge for patch/git workflow > > > > M. switch back to the ML for patch/git workflow > > > >=20 > > > > all GA members can vote, by publically replying here with a > > > > "F." / "Forgejo" vs "M." / "ML" > > >=20 > >=20 > > > Any vote on anything that can be even potentially contentious should = be made > > > with closed voting, not requiring everybody to publicly state their > > > preference. > >=20 > > You mean a "secret ballot" > >=20 > > First, id like to say thanks, for you commenting here, even if we dont > > agree. I think such debate is a good thing as long as its friendly > > and you always have been friendly! > >=20 > > my current oppinion on the subject: > >=20 > > The main goal of a secret ballot is to protect the citizen so she can d= elegate > > her power to a "office holder" freely >=20 > No, that is not the point at all. =E2=80=9Cdemocracies die behind closed doors.=E2=80=9D >=20 > The point is having one's voice and vote count, without needing to disclo= se > it publicly. The purpose of a government is to govern, to make the right decissions and to take responsibility, especially when the decissions where wrong. A secret ballot conflicts with this. Also if you want an example The classical Assembly (Ekklesia) in ancient greece voted in public And in most modern Democracies, parliamentary votes are public In governments where each area has a minister, decissions can be associated with the specific minister. There are situations where fully public ballots are bad. like when deciding military strategy Or when the citizens elect their representattives (see nicolas reply) > On potentially contentious matters, people eligible to vote may > wish to do so, without having to publicly state their preference attached= to > their name. Certainly. I understand people prefer to have power without having to stand with their name behind their decission (and take responsibility if it was the wrong decission) But i think thats not in the interrest of FFmpeg or the community. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Nations do behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives.= =20 -- Abba Eban --E0vYLG400wA4gcQW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEKAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCaMv0VQAKCRBhHseHBAsP q7mEAJ9JmreJGrV+XXA1HNmQAFQblR0eGgCfcofOSLXczG1fHWeE7ijr+8uUfL0= =jNee -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --E0vYLG400wA4gcQW-- --===============0063344809286375828== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list -- ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org To unsubscribe send an email to ffmpeg-devel-leave@ffmpeg.org --===============0063344809286375828==--