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From: Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Cc: Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>
Subject: [FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL] [VOTE] code.ffmpeg.org vs. ML
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2025 20:49:56 +0200
Message-ID: <20250916184956.GS29660@pb2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3d93b791-40b1-7bff-d55e-bb6b479485c6@martin.st>


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Hi Martin

On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 02:12:20PM +0300, Martin Storsjö via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2025, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> 
> > Hi all
> > 
> > 2 months ago we voted on testing Forgejo vs Gitlab, we picked and tested
> > Forgejo. And as said in that vote, (and surprisingly, i have not forgotten it)
> > heres the "after testing" discussion and vote
> > 
> > do we want to keep Forgejo or switch back to the ML workflow
> > (or something else)
> > 
> > F. keep Forgejo as primary forge for patch/git workflow
> > M. switch back to the ML for patch/git workflow
> > 
> > all GA members can vote, by publically replying here with a
> > "F." / "Forgejo" vs "M." / "ML"
> 

> Any vote on anything that can be even potentially contentious should be made
> with closed voting, not requiring everybody to publicly state their
> preference.

You mean a "secret ballot"

First, id like to say thanks, for you commenting here, even if we dont
agree. I think such debate is a good thing as long as its friendly
and you always have been friendly!

my current oppinion on the subject:

The main goal of a secret ballot is to protect the citizen so she can delegate
her power to a "office holder" freely

OTOH,

The "office holder" must be acountable and must vote in public. Not only
must the citizens know what their representatives do, but just in general
the decission makers need to take responsibility for their actions. Even
if they are not elected. The citizens may for example choose to protest
against non elected "office holders" even if they cannot vote them out.

I think members of the General Assembly are not mere citizens in this case.
So unless there are matters of privacy or other special cases.
i think theres an argument that the votes should be public

In this specific case, the decission affects many hundread contributors
while only members of the General Assembly can vote.
I dont think this should be a secret vote
I think the contributors (who cannot vote themselfs) have a right to know
who voted which way

Also i think its better for a government to stand up to its decissions

thx

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-16 18:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-16  8:49 [FFmpeg-devel] " Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-16  9:00 ` [FFmpeg-devel] " Diederick C. Niehorster via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-16 11:04 ` Timo Rothenpieler via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-16 11:12 ` Martin Storsjö via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-16 18:49   ` Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel [this message]
2025-09-16 19:54     ` Martin Storsjö via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-17  9:41       ` Nicolas George via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-18 12:00       ` Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-16 11:13 ` Martin Storsjö via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-16 11:54 ` Marvin Scholz via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-16 13:59 ` Alexander Strasser via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-16 20:39   ` Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-16 21:12 ` Balint Marton via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-17 14:24   ` Timo Rothenpieler via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-17 18:32     ` Marton Balint via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-17 23:41       ` Timo Rothenpieler via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-18  7:02         ` Nicolas George via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-18  8:52           ` Jacob Lifshay via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-18  9:15             ` Nicolas George via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-18  9:49               ` Jacob Lifshay via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-18 12:18             ` Niklas Haas via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-18 17:44         ` Marton Balint via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-17 14:46   ` Niklas Haas via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-17  3:57 ` Philip Langdale via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-17  9:42 ` Nicolas George via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-17 14:44 ` Niklas Haas via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-18  9:10   ` Zhao Zhili via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-17 14:53 ` softworkz . via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-18  9:20 ` Gyan Doshi via ffmpeg-devel
2025-09-19  7:46 ` Peter Ross via ffmpeg-devel

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