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no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; header-match-ffmpeg-devel.ffmpeg.org-0; header-match-ffmpeg-devel.ffmpeg.org-1; header-match-ffmpeg-devel.ffmpeg.org-2; header-match-ffmpeg-devel.ffmpeg.org-3; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Subject: [FFmpeg-devel] Re: [RFC] Sponsors & Funding List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Archived-At: Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel Cc: Michael Niedermayer Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8042487742276361167==" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============8042487742276361167== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DOhyY29fCzM4fTGF" Content-Disposition: inline --DOhyY29fCzM4fTGF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kieran On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 06:21:56PM +0200, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wr= ote: > On Wed, 10 Sept 2025, 17:49 Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel, < > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote: >=20 > > Hi remi > > > > On Tue, Sep 09, 2025 at 07:29:02PM +0300, R=E9mi Denis-Courmont via > > ffmpeg-devel wrote: > > > Le tiistaina 9. syyskuuta 2025, 15.10.37 It=E4-Euroopan kes=E4aika Mi= chael > > > Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel a =E9crit : > > > > > 2) A legal entity with clear oversight rules that sponsors can tr= ust > > and > > > > > influence collects funding from sponsors and decides whom to pay = for > > > > > what. > > > > We have that: > > > > "Software in the Public Interest (SPI) is a non-profit corporation > > > > registered in the state of New York founded to act as a fiscal spon= sor > > for > > > > organizations that develop open source software and hardware. Our > > mission > > > > is to help substantial and significant open source projects by > > handling > > > > their non-technical administrative tasks so that they aren't requir= ed > > to > > > > operate their own legal entity." > > > > > > How does that enable large sponsors to influence what gets done with = the > > money? > > > How does that take care of drafting and reviewing contracts? That just > > takes > > > care of fiscal and admin problems. It's great that they do it at all, > > but it's > > > not remotely sufficient in this context. > > > > With souvereign tech fund we had contracts between people, STF and SPI. > > > > SPI did provide for the legal, accounting and paperwork services here. > > We should in fact donate to them for doing that for us. (if we did not = yet) > > >=20 > SPI is not accountable to the GA. Lets go down that rabbit hole. For this subject to make any sense, we need to have the entities (GA, the community, myself, stefano) disagree. I have to point out, that stefano and myself just pass the community decissions to SPI, so we will not disagree with the community. But let us for sake of this rabbit hole, assume, we all disagree. I say: green Stefano says: red The community says: blue with 90% majority The GA says: black with 90% majority So what will SPI do ? IMHO, SPI will see me and stefano disagree and consequently will check the public communication channels and see that the community in public and in a verifyable way has choosen: blue I do belive that in this case SPI will go with the FFmpeg communities decis= sion. SPI is there to support open source communities, not to support me. I also think many people would in this case investigate where the difference between the GA and community came from. And really this almost certainly would have to imply a governance attack based on the membership critera of = the GA thx --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopp= ed=20 leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help or conclud= ed=20 you do not care. 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