[FFmpeg-devel] STF 2025 grant request (2025-09-01 target)

[FFmpeg-devel] STF 2025 grant request (2025-09-01 target)

[Pierre-Anthony Lemieux]

Hi all,

As with last year, Michael asked me to help coordinate the creation of
grant request to the STF:

https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/SponsoringPrograms/STF/2025

The objective remains to unlock funds for individuals that are
interested in contributing to the FFMPEG codebase.

The proposed deadline for individuals to submit their proposal is
2025-09-01. The proposals will be published at the link above upon
submission.

I am happy to collate the proposals and forward the grant request to
SPI, who would handle the submission to STF and payments to
contributors as the case may be. I am also happy to do nothing.

This activity is completely voluntary, there is no guarantee that all
(or any) proposals will be accepted by SPI and/or STF, and the chances
of success are unknown (to me). The activity was reasonably successful
last year.

Best,

-- Pierre
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] STF 2025 grant request (2025-09-01 target)

[Lynne]

On 30/07/2025 06:20, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> As with last year, Michael asked me to help coordinate the creation of
> grant request to the STF:
> 
> https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/SponsoringPrograms/STF/2025
> 
> The objective remains to unlock funds for individuals that are
> interested in contributing to the FFMPEG codebase.
> 
> The proposed deadline for individuals to submit their proposal is
> 2025-09-01. The proposals will be published at the link above upon
> submission.
> 
> I am happy to collate the proposals and forward the grant request to
> SPI, who would handle the submission to STF and payments to
> contributors as the case may be. I am also happy to do nothing.
> 
> This activity is completely voluntary, there is no guarantee that all
> (or any) proposals will be accepted by SPI and/or STF, and the chances
> of success are unknown (to me). The activity was reasonably successful
> last year.

Could you bump the deadline up and submit them in a week or two? Its 
been many months since Michael urged those wanting to apply to do so. 
Waiting for a month probably won't result in much, and I'd like to start 
working already.
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] STF 2025 grant request (2025-09-01 target)

[Pierre-Anthony Lemieux]

Quick reminder that the deadline for submitting your proposal is
quickly approaching.

Also note that the total amount of the proposed projects is below for
the minimum threshold for STF to consider the application.

On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 2:20 PM Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As with last year, Michael asked me to help coordinate the creation of
> grant request to the STF:
>
> https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/SponsoringPrograms/STF/2025
>
> The objective remains to unlock funds for individuals that are
> interested in contributing to the FFMPEG codebase.
>
> The proposed deadline for individuals to submit their proposal is
> 2025-09-01. The proposals will be published at the link above upon
> submission.
>
> I am happy to collate the proposals and forward the grant request to
> SPI, who would handle the submission to STF and payments to
> contributors as the case may be. I am also happy to do nothing.
>
> This activity is completely voluntary, there is no guarantee that all
> (or any) proposals will be accepted by SPI and/or STF, and the chances
> of success are unknown (to me). The activity was reasonably successful
> last year.
>
> Best,
>
> -- Pierre
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] STF 2025 grant request (2025-09-01 target)

[Niklas Haas via ffmpeg-devel]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 08:32:39 -0700 Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com> wrote:
> Quick reminder that the deadline for submitting your proposal is
> quickly approaching.
>
> Also note that the total amount of the proposed projects is below for
> the minimum threshold for STF to consider the application.

Despite my initial reservations, I decided to also apply with another
continuation of the libswscale project. Just letting you know as a heads up
that I will add my proposal to the wiki shortly.

How much more is currently needed to meet the minimum threshold?

>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 2:20 PM Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > As with last year, Michael asked me to help coordinate the creation of
> > grant request to the STF:
> >
> > https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/SponsoringPrograms/STF/2025
> >
> > The objective remains to unlock funds for individuals that are
> > interested in contributing to the FFMPEG codebase.
> >
> > The proposed deadline for individuals to submit their proposal is
> > 2025-09-01. The proposals will be published at the link above upon
> > submission.
> >
> > I am happy to collate the proposals and forward the grant request to
> > SPI, who would handle the submission to STF and payments to
> > contributors as the case may be. I am also happy to do nothing.
> >
> > This activity is completely voluntary, there is no guarantee that all
> > (or any) proposals will be accepted by SPI and/or STF, and the chances
> > of success are unknown (to me). The activity was reasonably successful
> > last year.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > -- Pierre
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] STF 2025 grant request (2025-09-01 target)

[Pierre-Anthony Lemieux via ffmpeg-devel]

On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 9:24 AM Niklas Haas via ffmpeg-devel
<ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 08:32:39 -0700 Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com> wrote:
> > Quick reminder that the deadline for submitting your proposal is
> > quickly approaching.
> >
> > Also note that the total amount of the proposed projects is below for
> > the minimum threshold for STF to consider the application.
>
> Despite my initial reservations, I decided to also apply with another
> continuation of the libswscale project. Just letting you know as a heads up
> that I will add my proposal to the wiki shortly.
>
> How much more is currently needed to meet the minimum threshold?

@Michael Niedermayer How many of the 100 modules do you realistically
expect to complete?

>
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 2:20 PM Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > As with last year, Michael asked me to help coordinate the creation of
> > > grant request to the STF:
> > >
> > > https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/SponsoringPrograms/STF/2025
> > >
> > > The objective remains to unlock funds for individuals that are
> > > interested in contributing to the FFMPEG codebase.
> > >
> > > The proposed deadline for individuals to submit their proposal is
> > > 2025-09-01. The proposals will be published at the link above upon
> > > submission.
> > >
> > > I am happy to collate the proposals and forward the grant request to
> > > SPI, who would handle the submission to STF and payments to
> > > contributors as the case may be. I am also happy to do nothing.
> > >
> > > This activity is completely voluntary, there is no guarantee that all
> > > (or any) proposals will be accepted by SPI and/or STF, and the chances
> > > of success are unknown (to me). The activity was reasonably successful
> > > last year.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > -- Pierre
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] STF 2025 grant request (2025-09-01 target)

[Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel]

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Hi Pierre

On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 09:28:26AM -0700, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 9:24 AM Niklas Haas via ffmpeg-devel
> <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 08:32:39 -0700 Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com> wrote:
> > > Quick reminder that the deadline for submitting your proposal is
> > > quickly approaching.
> > >
> > > Also note that the total amount of the proposed projects is below for
> > > the minimum threshold for STF to consider the application.
> >
> > Despite my initial reservations, I decided to also apply with another
> > continuation of the libswscale project. Just letting you know as a heads up
> > that I will add my proposal to the wiki shortly.
> >
> > How much more is currently needed to meet the minimum threshold?
> 
> @Michael Niedermayer How many of the 100 modules do you realistically
> expect to complete?

I think the main uncertainilities are
1. If teh community preferrs merges or cherry picks,
    If they want cherry picks its 100 patch(sets) passing review, adding tests
    where samples are on our server.
    If we do it as a merge, the work is still there but its different likely
    less work.
    Code would be merged in one go, then people could still review the
    individual modules afterwards, and I still would have the same effort to
    do to add tests and handle reviews. But maybe fewer people will post
    reviews with a merge than with cherry picks
2.
    when the work starts, because i intend to submit some patchset to test
    the whole process as soon as i am not busy with other work in ffmpeg
    So we might end up with fewer than 100 if we do some before STF starts
3.
    In all this I assume that the review process is fairly smooth and requests
    for major changes would be very rare because that would not work with the
    number of modules.
    And i assume that either we have testsamples or we dont and so the work
    adding tests is manageable. But the devil is in the details and tests
    can lead to detected bugs if the results are different between archs
    and so on. And then I would have to debug and fix that unknown number of
    bugs

So really if everything is smooth i expect all 100 but if issues arise
it can be less.
I will know how badly i miscalcuated this only afterwards ;)

thx

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] STF 2025 grant request (2025-09-01 target)

[Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2025, 11:37 Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel, <
ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:

> Hi Pierre
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 09:28:26AM -0700, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux via
> ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 9:24 AM Niklas Haas via ffmpeg-devel
> > <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 08:32:39 -0700 Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <
> pal@sandflow.com> wrote:
> > > > Quick reminder that the deadline for submitting your proposal is
> > > > quickly approaching.
> > > >
> > > > Also note that the total amount of the proposed projects is below for
> > > > the minimum threshold for STF to consider the application.
> > >
> > > Despite my initial reservations, I decided to also apply with another
> > > continuation of the libswscale project. Just letting you know as a
> heads up
> > > that I will add my proposal to the wiki shortly.
> > >
> > > How much more is currently needed to meet the minimum threshold?
> >
> > @Michael Niedermayer How many of the 100 modules do you realistically
> > expect to complete?
>
> I think the main uncertainilities are
> 1. If teh community preferrs merges or cherry picks,
>     If they want cherry picks its 100 patch(sets) passing review, adding
> tests
>     where samples are on our server.
>     If we do it as a merge, the work is still there but its different
> likely
>     less work.
>     Code would be merged in one go, then people could still review the
>     individual modules afterwards, and I still would have the same effort
> to
>     do to add tests and handle reviews. But maybe fewer people will post
>     reviews with a merge than with cherry picks
> 2.
>     when the work starts, because i intend to submit some patchset to test
>     the whole process as soon as i am not busy with other work in ffmpeg
>     So we might end up with fewer than 100 if we do some before STF starts
> 3.
>     In all this I assume that the review process is fairly smooth and
> requests
>     for major changes would be very rare because that would not work with
> the
>     number of modules.
>     And i assume that either we have testsamples or we dont and so the work
>     adding tests is manageable. But the devil is in the details and tests
>     can lead to detected bugs if the results are different between archs
>     and so on. And then I would have to debug and fix that unknown number
> of
>     bugs
>
> So really if everything is smooth i expect all 100 but if issues arise
> it can be less.
> I will know how badly i miscalcuated this only afterwards ;)
>
> thx
>

Cherry picking Paul's fork is clearly a destructive and hostile act and is
not good use of STF funds.

STF funds are not there to fund your vendetta against Paul and other forks.

Kieran

>
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] STF 2025 grant request (2025-09-01 target)

[Pierre-Anthony Lemieux via ffmpeg-devel]

On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 6:24 PM Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
<ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2025, 11:37 Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel, <
> ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Pierre
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 09:28:26AM -0700, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux via
> > ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> > > On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 9:24 AM Niklas Haas via ffmpeg-devel
> > > <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 08:32:39 -0700 Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <
> > pal@sandflow.com> wrote:
> > > > > Quick reminder that the deadline for submitting your proposal is
> > > > > quickly approaching.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also note that the total amount of the proposed projects is below for
> > > > > the minimum threshold for STF to consider the application.
> > > >
> > > > Despite my initial reservations, I decided to also apply with another
> > > > continuation of the libswscale project. Just letting you know as a
> > heads up
> > > > that I will add my proposal to the wiki shortly.
> > > >
> > > > How much more is currently needed to meet the minimum threshold?
> > >
> > > @Michael Niedermayer How many of the 100 modules do you realistically
> > > expect to complete?
> >
> > I think the main uncertainilities are
> > 1. If teh community preferrs merges or cherry picks,
> >     If they want cherry picks its 100 patch(sets) passing review, adding
> > tests
> >     where samples are on our server.
> >     If we do it as a merge, the work is still there but its different
> > likely
> >     less work.
> >     Code would be merged in one go, then people could still review the
> >     individual modules afterwards, and I still would have the same effort
> > to
> >     do to add tests and handle reviews. But maybe fewer people will post
> >     reviews with a merge than with cherry picks
> > 2.
> >     when the work starts, because i intend to submit some patchset to test
> >     the whole process as soon as i am not busy with other work in ffmpeg
> >     So we might end up with fewer than 100 if we do some before STF starts
> > 3.
> >     In all this I assume that the review process is fairly smooth and
> > requests
> >     for major changes would be very rare because that would not work with
> > the
> >     number of modules.
> >     And i assume that either we have testsamples or we dont and so the work
> >     adding tests is manageable. But the devil is in the details and tests
> >     can lead to detected bugs if the results are different between archs
> >     and so on. And then I would have to debug and fix that unknown number
> > of
> >     bugs
> >
> > So really if everything is smooth i expect all 100 but if issues arise
> > it can be less.
> > I will know how badly i miscalcuated this only afterwards ;)
> >
> > thx
> >
>
> Cherry picking Paul's fork is clearly a destructive and hostile act and is
> not good use of STF funds.

I recommend that the proposed SOWs be more specific, i.e. list those forks.

[ed.: I would definitely avoid forks from folks that have not shown
interest in working with ffmpeg, or at least list those forks as super
low priority.]

>
> STF funds are not there to fund your vendetta against Paul and other forks.
>
> Kieran
>
> >
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] STF 2025 grant request (2025-09-01 target)

[Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel]

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Hi Pierre

On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 06:38:06PM -0700, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
[...]
> I recommend that the proposed SOWs be more specific, i.e. list those forks.
> 
> [ed.: I would definitely avoid forks from folks that have not shown
> interest in working with ffmpeg, or at least list those forks as super
> low priority.]

The fork will probably be mainly almpeg, iam maintaining it, i want to work
with ffmpeg and i want to merge the code from it back into ffmpeg.

The author for most of the changes of the new modules is Paul.
I certainly have alot of respect from Paul, he is a brilliant
developer and i feel a bit offended by what nonsense Kieran said.

That said, Paul is certainly a competitor to FFmpeg

thx

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] STF 2025 grant request (2025-09-01 target)

[Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel]

>
> The author for most of the changes of the new modules is Paul.
> I certainly have alot of respect from Paul, he is a brilliant
> developer and i feel a bit offended by what nonsense Kieran said.
>

Paul left the project because of your attempt to ram in SDR without
community support.

This is documented on the ML.

Kieran

>
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] STF 2025 grant request (2025-09-01 target)

[Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel]

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Hi Kieran

On Sat, Aug 23, 2025 at 11:39:37PM -0700, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> >
> > The author for most of the changes of the new modules is Paul.
> > I certainly have alot of respect from Paul, he is a brilliant
> > developer and i feel a bit offended by what nonsense Kieran said.
> >
> 
> Paul left the project because of your attempt to ram in SDR without
> community support.
> 
> This is documented on the ML.

You have mobbed one developer after the other out of the project.
when the vote against carl didnt succeed you shut down a project server

The main person who was against SDR was you. Everyone i remember pointed to
you about SDR objections.

Then thilo was attacked by derek claiming he stole money.

And you simply posted thilos street address in public.

You took donations that belong to FFmpeg. (this is physical hardware)
Hw donations should be owned by SPI.

And of course you objected to SPI too IIRC

You helped setup a booth at NAB where a corporate entity impersionated FFmpeg.
This is documented with pictures, including the FFmpeg name and logo.

end of 2024/2025 there was a slandering compaign against me
and as this escalated anton left.

Anton was a really important developer. And had you and your friends just
stoped, there would have been no escalation and anton would be still here

In many threads about decissions you post false, misleading or inflamatory
statements

and we could continue and continue this thread and also look up all the
references ...

Please stop, simply stop.
Not only, is what you do, not going to work (obviously)
because frankly i dont care anymore, say what you want about me.

But its very harmfull to FFmpeg and the team.
No matter if its your statements directly or the reactions they provocate,
these statements are a main cause of people leaving.

thx

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] STF 2025 grant request (2025-09-01 target)

[Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel]

On Sun, 24 Aug 2025, 11:48 Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel, <
ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:

> Hi Kieran
>
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2025 at 11:39:37PM -0700, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
> wrote:
> > >
> > > The author for most of the changes of the new modules is Paul.
> > > I certainly have alot of respect from Paul, he is a brilliant
> > > developer and i feel a bit offended by what nonsense Kieran said.
> > >
> >
> > Paul left the project because of your attempt to ram in SDR without
> > community support.
> >
> > This is documented on the ML.
>
> You have mobbed one developer after the other out of the project.
>

[snip of verbal diarrhoea]

It's incredible the stories you create inside your head instead of
acknowledging that you, yourself were in the wrong. Both Anton and Paul
directly blamed you in writing yet by your Olympic level of mental
gymnastics this is somehow my fault?

Take some responsibility.

PS: the equipment I host bought by SPI is clearly marked as property of
FFmpeg project. Many developers have visited my office and seen it in
person.

>
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] STF 2025 grant request (2025-09-01 target)

[Rémi Denis-Courmont via ffmpeg-devel]

Le sunnuntai 24. elokuuta 2025, 13.47.49 Itä-Euroopan kesäaika Michael 
Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel a écrit :
> Then thilo was attacked by derek claiming he stole money.

Derek claimed that Thilo had some sort of alcohol-related issue. This was 
totally unacceptable behaviour, since he failed to provide any proof of his 
statement, nor of the alleged negative impact to FFmpeg. Nevertheless, this is 
not quite as bad as accusing someone of theft/embezzelment, which would 
constitute outright slander.

Besides Kieran is not responsible for Derek.

> And you simply posted thilos street address in public.

Kieran quoted an unidentified address from public pages of the tradeshow's 
website, and asked whose it is. If Thilo has a problem with the privacy policy 
of the tradeshow, that's not something to blame Kieran for.

Ultimately, it was not Kieran who outed Thilo as the addressee. (IIRC, it was 
none other than Thilo himself.)

> end of 2024/2025 there was a slandering compaign against me

That is not how slander works. Slander is when you are accused of something 
that you did *not* do. You *did* post the picture and messages that people 
(including myself) blamed you for posting, you *did* block Vittorio without 
any CC or GA oversight, and you *did* propose a bunch of new project 
structures that gave you even more power than you already have.

> and as this escalated anton left.

You are conveniently omitting the point that it was *your* part in that 
escalation that caused Anton to quit and James to step down from his formal 
roles. They literally said so.

> Please stop, simply stop.

I and a lot of people could say the same to you.

-- 
ヅニ-クーモン・レミ
Tapio's place new town, former Finnish Republic of Uusimaa



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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] STF 2025 grant request (2025-09-01 target)

[Derek Buitenhuis via ffmpeg-devel]

On 8/24/2025 2:46 PM, Rémi Denis-Courmont via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> Le sunnuntai 24. elokuuta 2025, 13.47.49 Itä-Euroopan kesäaika Michael 
> Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel a écrit :
>> Then thilo was attacked by derek claiming he stole money.
> 
> Derek claimed that Thilo had some sort of alcohol-related issue. This was 
> totally unacceptable behaviour, since he failed to provide any proof of his 
> statement, nor of the alleged negative impact to FFmpeg. Nevertheless, this is 
> not quite as bad as accusing someone of theft/embezzelment, which would 
> constitute outright slander.

I, at no point, claimed money was stolen.

- Derek
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