From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED5F14B867 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2025 14:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D92368CFA2; Sat, 26 Jul 2025 17:57:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (relay3-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.195]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31C0568C9EF for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2025 17:57:17 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 388371F68D for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2025 14:57:16 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1753541836; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=g9Zqt1UuJkFVpimdP4nzLtL1F9S8mv69bO0WitWb2Xg=; b=Lp9sssRZXxt4QMkM7tazTA48xErsxtxzSLds4sZAzKKY2D2XHNW+hd2Xdx46Cvn/A7CMC0 E4PCfQOwLIEeubrPA0XbOvOLyTF+unMU8vZXmyLK+xmjsqoekILTjMtocfV99cNIph8mVS 76C+cI1sMI+lSCJPQw+/asxJQ6kkURRVIGvVLxBRl64Gb/heqzSAemMybMD0gIqpyCqZ5K qPjszH13HjhOzZy5UoJLhOvSmq/qEweXyLtg6GRkXAfUDKNKxIRQAD6doUr9HHv2Q6lJMI wTf/Jv524btV+1xKztaHueNm/TJ6POwB27hVowvzs/uNPeKtD0fOfh24Z7FmPA== Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2025 16:57:15 +0200 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20250726145715.GR29660@pb2> References: <20250722035337.2216565-1-dev@lynne.ee> <20250722230434.GG29660@pb2> <20250723091622.GH29660@pb2> <20250723095923.GJ29660@pb2> <20250724180512.00007b6a@hawaiiantel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20250724180512.00007b6a@hawaiiantel.net> X-GND-State: clean X-GND-Score: -70 X-GND-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeffedrtdefgdekieejudcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfitefpfffkpdcuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedtudenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnegfrhhlucfvnfffucdlfedtmdenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkfhggtggujgesghdtreertddtvdenucfhrhhomhepofhitghhrggvlhcupfhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhcuoehmihgthhgrvghlsehnihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghrrdgttgeqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepffeltdefveefffehueeuhfdtjeeileeufedtiedtgfehteegffeffeetkefftdfhnecuffhomhgrihhnpehffhhmphgvghdrohhrghenucfkphepgedurdeiiedrieehrddujeeinecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepgedurdeiiedrieehrddujeeipdhhvghloheplhhotggrlhhhohhsthdpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmihgthhgrvghlsehnihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghrrdgttgdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddprhgtphhtthhopehffhhmphgvghdquggvvhgvlhesfhhfmhhpvghgrdhorhhg X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] web: announce code.ffmpeg.org X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6470431721262055171==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============6470431721262055171== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OMs2GamfWhp5Gk/I" Content-Disposition: inline --OMs2GamfWhp5Gk/I Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 06:05:12PM -1000, compn wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 11:59:23 +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: >=20 > > Hello Kieran > >=20 > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 10:39:01AM +0100, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-deve= l wrote: > > > > About 2. (IMHO) > > > > * The solution is to hire carl or someone else (or find a volunteer) > > > > to do this work. Changing the tracker will not fix this. > > > > > > > > FFlabs should have enough captial to hire carl for this. People = should > > > > ask > > > > FFlabs to hire him and carl to accept to be hired for this work. = =20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > The commercial decisions of FFlabs are for its shareholders during its > > > internal meetings, not this mailing list. =20 > >=20 > > Thats a misunderstanding. > >=20 > > Let me quote the president and CEO: > >=20 > > "The company is just a way to finance the community to work on the same > > things as usual." > >=20 > > and > >=20 > > "To me, the company should be transparent to the project. It's just a w= ay > > to funnel money to the community." > >=20 >=20 > hello, >=20 > fflabs should have its use and goals documented on its [...] > does not sound like a community focused company at all. i agree and i raised that issue with the CEO yesterday and asked where I could send proposed changes. But he is quite busy so dont expect that he will look into this right away. About raising the issue of employing carl. I have raised that multiple times, and i remember none of the shareholders objecting. But it never happened. This may make more sense if you consider that to employ him, 3 things really need to happen at the same time 1. carl needs to want to work for FFlabs 2. It has to fit into the greater strategy of FFlabs 3. FFlabs needs to have sufficient funds. In the early days, FFlabs simply did not have the funds to employ more peop= le And also needed to concentrate on growth that is on people directly doing consulting work that brings in more money and customers Funds are available now AFAIK, but carl is no longer here Keep in mind 3 people quit in 2025 and revenue keeps growing so we should h= ave funds to contract or employ more people. But there is of course also more w= ork that needs to be done. And the promise our CEO gave to the community was to finance the community. So i think it does make sense that the community monitors it and if needed politely reminds and insists on adjustments ... Also if noone from the FFmpeg community wants to do any contract work or be employed by FFlabs in 2025. People need to understand that FFlabs is a "for profit" company and it cannot accumulate captial without paying taxes. So it would be wastefull, and FFlabs will likely use the captial for other things this year and it will just be lost for the FFmpeg community. In summary i think it does make sense for the FFmpeg community to think about where money could help teh most and then propose this to FFlabs as a clear and executable suggestion. PS: of course all funds available in FFlabs should be used in a way that grows FFmpeg and FFlabs. More money in FFlabs means more money available to the FFmpeg community. Thats why spending money in a way that brings = in more money should be prioritized as long as we dont have enough to fund everything in FFmpeg that we want to fund. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB No human being will ever know the Truth, for even if they happen to say it by chance, they would not even known they had done so. -- Xenophanes --OMs2GamfWhp5Gk/I Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEKAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCaITsxwAKCRBhHseHBAsP q4K4AJ0f1qXcMvGiR69HzPmATQMuy4SRRgCeILCkUgKpfLQC08RUMmaIzCtmTTU= =HtJD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OMs2GamfWhp5Gk/I-- --===============6470431721262055171== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============6470431721262055171==--