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From: Niklas Haas <ffmpeg@haasn.xyz>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Again pre-multiplied alpha
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 13:11:54 +0200
Message-ID: <20250724131154.GB95314@haasn.xyz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aIEVjvmc3bpOP0Zr@phare.normalesup.org>

On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 19:02:06 +0200 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> wrote:
> Niklas Haas (HE12025-07-23):
> > [PATCH v2 05/18] avcodec/encode: enforce alpha mode compatibility at encode time
>
> That handles it for encoders, I suppose. But I do not see anything
> protecting you from stacking images with different kind of alpha or
> sending this kind of frames to a muxer with uncoded frames.

That is no worse than the status quo, so I fail to see how this patch is
a regression in this regard.

That aside, there is also not anything preventing you from doing the same
for images with a different chroma sample location, or different HDR metadata,
or different sample aspect ratios, or any of the other oodles of properties
(including arbitrarily extensible frame side data) that are not currently
participating in libavfilter format negotiation.

In a perfect world, we would have automatic format negotiation for every
AVFrame property; but as it stands, the libavfilter code is too obnoxious,
brittle and inflexible to permit such while remaining sane. While redesigning
libavfilter to make it more extensible would certainly be a useful exercise
(perhaps a good STF 2025 candidate?), I think that rather exceeds the scope
of this patchset.

>
> Regards,
>
> --
>   Nicolas George
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  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-24 11:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-23 13:47 [FFmpeg-devel] (no subject) Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 01/18] avutil/frame: add AVFrame.alpha_mode Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 16:00   ` Kacper Michajlow
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 02/18] fftools/ffprobe: add support for AVFrame.alpha_mode Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 03/18] avfilter/vf_showinfo: print alpha mode when relevant Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 16:11   ` Kacper Michajlow
2025-07-24 11:19     ` Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 04/18] avcodec/avcodec: add AVCodecContext.alpha_mode Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 05/18] avcodec/encode: enforce alpha mode compatibility at encode time Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 06/18] avcodec/png: set correct alpha mode Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 07/18] avcodec/exr: " Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 08/18] avcodec/libjxl: " Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 09/18] avcodec/libjxlenc: also attach extra channel info Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 10/18] avcodec/jpegxl: parse and signal correct alpha mode Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 16:19   ` Kacper Michajlow
2025-07-24 11:13     ` Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 11/18] avfilter/vf_scale: don't ignore incoming chroma location Niklas Haas
2025-07-24 11:16   ` Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 12/18] fftools/ffmpeg_enc: don't ignore user selected " Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 13/18] fftools/ffmpeg_enc: forward frame alpha mode to encoder Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 14/18] avfilter/vf_premultiply: tag correct alpha mode on result Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 15/18] avfilter/vf_alphamerge: tag correct alpha mode Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 16/18] avfilter/vf_overlay: respect alpha mode tagging by default Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 17/18] avfilter/vf_setparams: add alpha_mode parameter Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 13:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 18/18] avfilter/vf_libplacebo: add an alpha_mode setting Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 14:11 ` [FFmpeg-devel] Again pre-multiplied alpha Nicolas George
2025-07-23 15:18   ` Niklas Haas
2025-07-23 17:02     ` Nicolas George
2025-07-24 11:11       ` Niklas Haas [this message]
2025-07-24 14:59         ` Nicolas George
2025-07-24 20:58           ` Niklas Haas

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