From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A94B54C24A for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2025 00:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05ABA6913A7; Mon, 7 Jul 2025 03:10:17 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (relay1-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.193]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE4726913A3 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2025 03:10:10 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CC9FD43A31 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2025 00:10:09 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1751847009; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Im37BaUGFweuoUnEdomjTobK3WaBauPiwfaQ64LNUds=; b=mdiuLnwR2f5IMR7hQs08d4MO1Iyej+CFtUafJfLyOSWaXBlq4W6BvoIaCCyMbOxnbQhnQa A9e8pDnMztMgB5ygw4W13UrBi9LG+BqAwuK7f99fEQLqMgi00mYu+t9Uwd/aUHNKfLtThg bJcmeDinW7JTDllV6MjMDsy7jOBIhMheO9uhmTMxWW8shHua6ULncc3f9SFg71XyBJfoY+ CE8h9wcRLkl/6dD/saaZTHChElW9gTQfnf7owtz8dvjxj+i9USwJVsnJsM7wHIjFdchPAL Cugz7Q9k1muWuVqLxCuicKPpyo/T5sY2A9P7I+Ok8n5t4eUV1Ecb5b3obrKd+A== Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2025 02:10:08 +0200 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20250707001008.GD29660@pb2> References: <20250704101528.GS29660@pb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-GND-State: clean X-GND-Score: -85 X-GND-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeffedrtdefgdeftdefvdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfitefpfffkpdcuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedtudenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnegfrhhlucfvnfffucdludehmdenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkfhggtggujgesghdtreertddtvdenucfhrhhomhepofhitghhrggvlhcupfhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhcuoehmihgthhgrvghlsehnihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghrrdgttgeqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepieegkedtjeduffejhfetgeejtdegteetgfegtdfhjefgvefhteegkeejtddvhfevnecukfhppeeguddrieeirdeiiedrvddvjeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepihhnvghtpeeguddrieeirdeiiedrvddvjedphhgvlhhopehlohgtrghlhhhoshhtpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhhitghhrggvlhesnhhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhdrtggtpdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopedupdhrtghpthhtohepfhhfmhhpvghgqdguvghvvghlsehffhhmphgvghdrohhrgh X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Introducing policies regarding "AI" contributions X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7418755313746755406==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============7418755313746755406== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JcVUjUz3daLpQC39" Content-Disposition: inline --JcVUjUz3daLpQC39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi On Mon, Jul 07, 2025 at 12:29:44AM +0200, Alexander Strasser via ffmpeg-dev= el wrote: > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2025 00:29:44 +0200 > From: Alexander Strasser > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Introducing policies regarding "AI" con= tributions >=20 > Hi Michael! >=20 > On 2025-07-04 12:15 +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > The use of tools to assist developers is growing and will > > continue to grow. Its not going away. > > And what one can and cannot do with these tools will evolve > >=20 > > I dont think i understand the thought process behind this policy. >=20 > I did not propose any policy in particular yet. So I'm not > sure what you are referring to. a policy is premature. [...] > More importantly I see no way for the license part to work out > automagically. In how far is the result a derivative other works? > How would we apply attribution where original works demand it? > How do we now the generated code is not just a mostly exact copy > of the original training material? How do you know that a student that was a tought C by teaching materials licensed under AGPL will not produce work that falls under AGPL ? We should work on FFmpeg, review patches, fix bugs get the release done. And let people use the tools that work best for them. I do not want to have to spend time to think about if the use of tools (code completion?, some few line function prototype, LLM that fixed spelling errors, ...) requires a pariah mark on the patch or is "allowed" Such rules are IMHO not compatible with free software. It also would be another huge "go away" sign for the next generation of developers. Such marking is also a source of disagreements (2 people can easily disagree on what needs to be marked) Also if we have a AI policy, we would have to update it as technology changes. Thats more wasted resources. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in ancient Greek republics: Freedom for slave owners. -- Vladimir Lenin --JcVUjUz3daLpQC39 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEKAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCaGsQWgAKCRBhHseHBAsP q918AKCAZsquW7zgFW9OHyiTuFCxpqKpNQCdGsVcC4qEOntgqS46hKuk9ljBeXw= =W0/3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JcVUjUz3daLpQC39-- --===============7418755313746755406== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============7418755313746755406==--