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From: Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Introducing policies regarding "AI" contributions
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2025 02:10:08 +0200
Message-ID: <20250707001008.GD29660@pb2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5490.1751840992.1384.ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>


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Hi

On Mon, Jul 07, 2025 at 12:29:44AM +0200, Alexander Strasser via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2025 00:29:44 +0200
> From: Alexander Strasser <eclipse7@gmx.net>
> To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Introducing policies regarding "AI" contributions
> 
> Hi Michael!
> 
> On 2025-07-04 12:15 +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > The use of tools to assist developers is growing and will
> > continue to grow. Its not going away.
> > And what one can and cannot do with these tools will evolve
> > 
> > I dont think i understand the thought process behind this policy.
> 
> I did not propose any policy in particular yet. So I'm not
> sure what you are referring to.

a policy is premature.


[...]

> More importantly I see no way for the license part to work out
> automagically. In how far is the result a derivative other works?
> How would we apply attribution where original works demand it?
> How do we now the generated code is not just a mostly exact copy
> of the original training material?

How do you know that a student that was a tought C by teaching
materials licensed under AGPL will not produce work that falls under AGPL ?

We should work on FFmpeg, review patches, fix bugs get the release done.
And let people use the tools that work best for them.

I do not want to have to spend time to think about if the use of
tools (code completion?, some few line function prototype,
LLM that fixed spelling errors, ...)
requires a pariah mark on the patch or is "allowed"

Such rules are IMHO not compatible with free software.

It also would be another huge "go away" sign for the next generation
of developers.

Such marking is also a source of disagreements (2 people can easily
disagree on what needs to be marked)

Also if we have a AI policy, we would have to update it as technology
changes. Thats more wasted resources.

thx

[...]

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-07  0:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-01 10:58 Alexander Strasser via ffmpeg-devel
2025-07-01 11:20 ` Gyan Doshi
2025-07-03 23:42   ` Alexander Strasser via ffmpeg-devel
2025-07-01 12:44 ` Kacper Michajlow
2025-07-03 23:31   ` Alexander Strasser via ffmpeg-devel
2025-07-04 16:43     ` compn
2025-07-04 18:11   ` softworkz .
2025-07-03  0:16 ` Gerion Entrup
2025-07-03 23:14   ` Alexander Strasser via ffmpeg-devel
2025-07-04  7:10     ` Nicolas George
2025-07-03 23:44 ` Leo Izen
2025-07-04 10:15 ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-07-06 22:29   ` Alexander Strasser via ffmpeg-devel
2025-07-07  0:10     ` Michael Niedermayer [this message]
2025-07-07  0:35       ` Marvin Scholz
2025-07-07  2:52         ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-07-07  2:01     ` Michael Niedermayer
2025-07-05 11:20 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2025-07-05 12:22   ` Kacper Michajlow
2025-07-06 22:18   ` Alexander Strasser via ffmpeg-devel

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