From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F7F14DDFE for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2025 22:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDAEC68C918; Thu, 5 Jun 2025 01:41:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (relay1-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.193]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 780DD68D60A for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2025 01:41:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A607242E77 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2025 22:41:49 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1749076909; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=zvUs7T5kQBNWlnvk5GuFoGTQS8N3qMqGF4CyhP0mbC8=; b=XDQSOuzHUGSUTcssRl3CLArwLlBX7jgzveh7YU2sEp2gFiW1oSARyWNCv47j9Qh5Lu0icL IxXz0IVoI9dM/fcMYgaQ+8t2WY9Ass+wWDJQdwm0ywf0QokoF99BXb0QfYgSlRORLtzYUO 4QdmV3z0ICGcxz2PXXvs9KnvyJ0QBW+wgLUwMdsdjlHtloGN7ITLAihlNYduZj2VgtKN0p v6G79mEEVF1ep0w5rY/Wbu73prBmhqN5fU0HlCkE/cQwwgkNBwIppALscspd0sxkahTEBH 828PVSAXjlY05S6x1u3Kdb9WRYcgZNY5qb2TIdG5MOutzVQAPpcmJI9SoWoIkA== Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2025 00:41:48 +0200 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20250604224148.GU29660@pb2> References: <20250601152222.GU29660@pb2> <7fa92fbb-f6cb-40c1-b95e-3d6a77e6cbcf@gmail.com> <20250601192320.GV29660@pb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-GND-State: clean X-GND-Score: -85 X-GND-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeffedrtddugddvjeejucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuifetpfffkfdpucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddunecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenfghrlhcuvffnffculdduhedmnecujfgurhepfffhvffukfhfgggtuggjsehgtderredttdejnecuhfhrohhmpefoihgthhgrvghlucfpihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghruceomhhitghhrggvlhesnhhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhdrtggtqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeelkeeggfffiedufeejueffjeduhedttdduledtheevveevtdeiueelhfdtuedtkeenucfkphepgedurdeiiedrieejrdduudefnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepgedurdeiiedrieejrdduudefpdhhvghloheplhhotggrlhhhohhsthdpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmihgthhgrvghlsehnihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghrrdgttgdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddprhgtphhtthhopehffhhmphgvghdquggvvhgvlhesfhhfmhhpvghgrdhorhhg X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Cherry picks vs merges X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5582028924706930413==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============5582028924706930413== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6lxWiLzVbUEk5fbF" Content-Disposition: inline --6lxWiLzVbUEk5fbF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 04, 2025 at 01:42:42PM -0700, Baptiste Coudurier wrote: >=20 > > On Jun 4, 2025, at 11:06=E2=80=AFAM, Tomas H=C3=A4rdin = wrote: > >=20 > > s=C3=B6n 2025-06-01 klockan 21:23 +0200 skrev Michael Niedermayer: > >> And the "explicit license notice" you refer to is this: > >>=20 > >> "All Librempeg modifications, and any new files not available in > >> FFmpeg, are licensed under GPL v2, > >> unless stated otherwise." > >>=20 > >> And it IS stated otherwise in these files by the license header in > >> these > >> files. > >=20 > > These conflicting texts are reason enough not to touch this code unless > > we're fine with upgrading the license to GPLv2. I don't think the > > project should get into a legal fight over something like this >=20 > There are no legal fights until somebody starts one. > The courts are here to settle disagreements and different understandings. >=20 > The fact is that there is even disagreement on whether there is ambiguity > on the way the fork was re-licensed. Interpretation can be subtle. >=20 > > Given how everything has moved to the cloud, upgrading to GPLv2 > > wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. We should also consider upgrading > > the fftools to AGPL for the same reason > >=20 > >> That said, with open source and free software it is the morally > >> correct > >> thing, if one makes changes to code, to return these changes to the > >> parent > >> project under the same license as the parent project. > >> This is morally the ONLY correct thing one can do. > >=20 > > This is incredibly spooked. Paul plays the license game the way he sees > > fit, as does everyone else >=20 > We are also free to play the same license game. >=20 > Nonetheless, if the modifications are good, we need to incorporate them in > some way, so what is the alternative proposed ? ATM, iam waiting for jb/fflabs lawyer. If that reply never comes or is ambigous ill have to pay a lawyer to get a clear reply. once that reply is in, we can discuss. And if theres no consensus we can vote. (mainly merge vs cherry pick but we could vote on license too) I think most agree that the base license for FFmpeg should stay LGPL and that new codecs and filters will all be added under the most permissive license thats possible. But if theres a disagreement that can be discussed and voted on too. >=20 > New filters and codecs will be added with =E2=80=94enable-gpl, that=E2=80= =99s a given. yes i see it the same way. about GPL licensed modifications to LGPL code. (assuming anything falls in = this category) It would just be rethinking from --enable-gpl to "git pull almpeg ... thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB While the State exists there can be no freedom; when there is freedom there will be no State. -- Vladimir Lenin --6lxWiLzVbUEk5fbF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEKAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCaEDLqQAKCRBhHseHBAsP q4VQAKCNwepvp+I63PRukbt7Rgfu7TbzgwCbBO63yIQ5MVuBvMGmXvKyRb/qVMU= =Lxjq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6lxWiLzVbUEk5fbF-- --===============5582028924706930413== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============5582028924706930413==--