From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADC494D9E8 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2025 01:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA67B68CC49; Tue, 3 Jun 2025 04:06:09 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (relay8-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.201]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83A7168CC0F for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2025 04:06:03 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D495843B11 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2025 01:06:02 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1748912763; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=tCdiYM9oS+L9RJgxdmwD2fHtA00yEE2AMrUA0QF1tk8=; b=kJ6EQS05fMOaDreF6BpRyU4s4jSKpctfSkUC6GQ63ATbLcQeuF7V5XCchciVMZQUqtv5zk dldKobINnm/vq4W2BRLMmRdSIK7s63KM+dnNaPQtr88kaIsSrLxsZnqAK4/+XaZnQ0ecnG RvLSMvQOmPfevmj0o9vz0NxG+Giu000PIWxzu184CW5nGSWa1bL3FMRGXsrPCLi96ssVSv mrS5trwr/Q9C6fqWwvruBlv+PTvdpVFkhB8CKyTJs1fwgTTTzhlTZvklEsXP5U4yCBUR32 ZINV2hIwsGdwtI7TJ0LAwGss+cXCjUq1qqmQ0CoH3D3RM7TmoOcMN+W4mDTBgQ== Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2025 03:06:01 +0200 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20250603010601.GH29660@pb2> References: <20250601232143.GA29660@pb2> <20250602193438.GG29660@pb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-GND-State: clean X-GND-Score: -85 X-GND-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeffedrtddtgdefleduleculddtuddrgeefvddrtddtmdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfitefpfffkpdcuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedtudenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnegfrhhlucfvnfffucdludehmdenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkfhggtggujgesghdtreertddtvdenucfhrhhomhepofhitghhrggvlhcupfhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhcuoehmihgthhgrvghlsehnihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghrrdgttgeqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepieegkedtjeduffejhfetgeejtdegteetgfegtdfhjefgvefhteegkeejtddvhfevnecukfhppeeguddrieeirdeijedruddufeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepihhnvghtpeeguddrieeirdeijedruddufedphhgvlhhopehlohgtrghlhhhoshhtpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhhitghhrggvlhesnhhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhdrtggtpdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopedupdhrtghpthhtohepfhhfmhhpvghgqdguvghvvghlsehffhhmphgvghdrohhrgh X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] The "bad" Patch X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7768431140179576445==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============7768431140179576445== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+6pSGvaKIRbNFE7c" Content-Disposition: inline --+6pSGvaKIRbNFE7c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi On Mon, Jun 02, 2025 at 09:22:29PM +0000, softworkz . wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Micha= el > > Niedermayer > > Sent: Montag, 2. Juni 2025 21:35 > > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches > > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] The "bad" Patch > >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > > The CC needs someone who is good at mediating (or what you call it) tha= ts > > marth64 >=20 > +1 >=20 >=20 > > And the CC needs someone who can recognize defamation and document it > > accurately. Ive not seen anyone except softworkz document things as he = did. >=20 > Admittedly, the motivation was high, since I've been in focus. Naturally, > I had been upset about specific persons at the beginning, but the more I= =20 > had reconstructed the sequence of events, I realized that the way how=20 > things had developed and escalated further, > was more complex and driven > by many actors, most of which never had much bad intentions and acted > without being aware about the consequences of their own actions. +1 I believe 99.9% of people have good intentions on this ML not 100% though > Asked about it, I'm sure most of them would think and say that they would > have had nothing to do with it at all and it wasn't their own fault. > But in a community, when several people do just little wrong=20 > individually, this can sum up very quickly and easily. >=20 > The motivations behind documenting the events are multifold: >=20 > - When we better understand the origins and mechanisms of how that=20 > "toxicity" is formed and unfolds, then we might better be able to > take measures to reduce it in the future +1 I belive documenting things is the first step in solving them. [...] >=20 > To me, it seems that people are afraid that this could be taken as > weakness or incompetence - which is a fundamental misconception. > Even in technical discussions, I see that people rather stop=20 > responding than admitting, when they realize they were wrong about > something. But the opposite is true: not admitting is weak > behavior. Theres alot of variation here i think =66rom not even internally admiting to people who do admit publically they where wrong. and also people stoping responding when a discussion becomes too toxic (as in "dont feed the trolls") thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. -- Albert Einstein --+6pSGvaKIRbNFE7c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEKAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCaD5KdgAKCRBhHseHBAsP q+LdAJ9CK8zc3Kw4etJdiUp6O6db1Yyj1gCeIloKRYX54OM/WKVIMyKIuQnwev8= =93pY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+6pSGvaKIRbNFE7c-- --===============7768431140179576445== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============7768431140179576445==--