Re: [FFmpeg-devel] The "bad" Patch

[Michael Niedermayer <michael@niedermayer.cc>]

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Hi

On Mon, Jun 02, 2025 at 09:22:29PM +0000, softworkz . wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org> On Behalf Of Michael
> > Niedermayer
> > Sent: Montag, 2. Juni 2025 21:35
> > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
> > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] The "bad" Patch
> > 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > The CC needs someone who is good at mediating (or what you call it) thats
> > marth64
> 
> +1
> 
> 
> > And the CC needs someone who can recognize defamation and document it
> > accurately. Ive not seen anyone except softworkz document things as he did.
> 
> Admittedly, the motivation was high, since I've been in focus. Naturally,
> I had been upset about specific persons at the beginning, but the more I 
> had reconstructed the sequence of events, I realized that the way how 
> things had developed and escalated further,

> was more complex and driven
> by many actors, most of which never had much bad intentions and acted
> without being aware about the consequences of their own actions.

+1
I believe 99.9% of people have good intentions on this ML not 100% though


> Asked about it, I'm sure most of them would think and say that they would
> have had nothing to do with it at all and it wasn't their own fault.
> But in a community, when several people do just little wrong 
> individually, this can sum up very quickly and easily.
> 
> The motivations behind documenting the events are multifold:
> 

> - When we better understand the origins and mechanisms of how that 
>   "toxicity" is formed and unfolds, then we might better be able to
>   take measures to reduce it in the future

+1

I belive documenting things is the first step in solving them.


[...]

> 
> To me, it seems that people are afraid that this could be taken as
> weakness or incompetence - which is a fundamental misconception.
> Even in technical discussions, I see that people rather stop 
> responding than admitting, when they realize they were wrong about
> something. But the opposite is true: not admitting is weak
> behavior.

Theres alot of variation here i think
from not even internally admiting to people who do admit publically they
where wrong.

and also people stoping responding when a discussion becomes too toxic
(as in "dont feed the trolls")

thx

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Michael     GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB

Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.
-- Albert Einstein

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