From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29A724D8C2 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2025 15:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E5968DE56; Mon, 2 Jun 2025 18:28:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (relay6-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.198]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 107CA68DA09 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2025 18:28:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 65432439C9 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2025 15:28:15 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1748878095; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=epfBnmXKvdHxSJpjryUPcpG7AwJJ/O/LVZ8gIumVvPM=; b=DqxblXjf+CVxuTi8gZYlcFOujIJGOd07XBuo7ji9DJ8bSMcvPlAoKnmm/2aCf0eLWmFMVJ 6P/oT5U42z4a3q8gsK8GhfOmLLmZpxO5Fw+u6KCuJYQxYK2KPpMpdBQ26f7+7u1zWJjTgA hQraRx+DwKnXA7PXYWwt/hTjaBXN6yfUvumA8ZACaI028pBIvVJuWOpmT3IQblVMK6df2u AraZEc2K+jFJ39K+4OiL5AkE2H5Vz3Tz6OJ94YUAU7jfSyLKJpYRkf03WTr5mUWLK7tkWP XulN/tSwAm/uuZFcyUfUD1BTlpYstYtklp3q9H+4UxF8SAeO6xbhsmCz6C5Jbg== Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2025 17:28:14 +0200 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20250602152814.GD29660@pb2> References: <20250601152222.GU29660@pb2> <7fa92fbb-f6cb-40c1-b95e-3d6a77e6cbcf@gmail.com> <20250601192320.GV29660@pb2> <5c3644b0-40b4-244b-760a-96fb7f896bc6@passwd.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-GND-State: clean X-GND-Score: -85 X-GND-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeffedrtddtgdefkedtvdculddtuddrgeefvddrtddtmdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfitefpfffkpdcuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedtudenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnegfrhhlucfvnfffucdludehmdenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkfhggtggujgesghdtreertddtvdenucfhrhhomhepofhitghhrggvlhcupfhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhcuoehmihgthhgrvghlsehnihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghrrdgttgeqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepieegkedtjeduffejhfetgeejtdegteetgfegtdfhjefgvefhteegkeejtddvhfevnecukfhppeeguddrieeirdeijedruddufeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepihhnvghtpeeguddrieeirdeijedruddufedphhgvlhhopehlohgtrghlhhhoshhtpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhhitghhrggvlhesnhhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhdrtggtpdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopedupdhrtghpthhtohepfhhfmhhpvghgqdguvghvvghlsehffhhmphgvghdrohhrgh X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Cherry picks vs merges X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2283519601958645611==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============2283519601958645611== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zwHJ+EkmMXC5C6Dj" Content-Disposition: inline --zwHJ+EkmMXC5C6Dj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi softworkz On Mon, Jun 02, 2025 at 08:23:41AM +0000, softworkz . wrote: >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ffmpeg-devel On Behalf Of Marton > > Balint > > Sent: Montag, 2. Juni 2025 09:41 > > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches > > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Cherry picks vs merges > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > On Sun, 1 Jun 2025, James Almer wrote: > >=20 > > > On 6/1/2025 4:23 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > >> Hi James > > >> > > >> On Sun, Jun 01, 2025 at 02:27:37PM -0300, James Almer wrote: > > >>> On 6/1/2025 12:22 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > >>>> Hi all > > >>>> > > >>>> almpeg is now merged upto 1 months ago. (and since last merge it > > >>>> contains > > >>>> bits of AGPL code) > > >>>> > > >>>> The question now is, how does the community want to proceed from = here? > > >>> Full stop. > > >>> > > >> > > >>> Not only you're trying to bypass explicit a license notice on > > >>> technicalities, > > >> > > >> This is a serious accusation. > > >> > > >> Code is either under the LGPL license or it is not. > > >> It cannot be sometimes under the LGPL license, the license headers > > >> on the files in question, distrinbuted by Paul are unmodified > > >> LGPL headers. There is no extra notice or anything in these headers. > > >> > > >> If paul wants them to be GPL he can change these headers at any tim= e. > > >> > > >> And the "explicit license notice" you refer to is this: > > >> > > >> "All Librempeg modifications, and any new files not available in FF= mpeg, > > >> are licensed under GPL v2, > > >> unless stated otherwise." > > >> > > >> And it IS stated otherwise in these files by the license header in = these > > >> files. > > > > > > This is the technicality i was talking about. The fact he copy-pasted= a > > > boilerplate LGPL header in all new files being used as a way to invok= e the > > > "unless stated otherwise" part of the notice. > > > > > > I'm not against merging his changes, and i apologize if what i said b= efore > > > sounded like an accusation, but the way i want this to go forward is = with > > him > > > being ok with it, and not us trying to find a way to workaround what = was > > > seemingly his intention to license his changes a certain way. > >=20 > > +1. Yeah, Paul changing the license was not nice, but ffmpeg as a proje= ct > > merging his work against his will would not be nice either, even if it > > might be legally OK, it certainly would not be OK morally. > >=20 > > Regards, > > Marton > > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Assuming for a moment, we would not care about moral behavior at all. > (which doesn't mean I don't) >=20 > What would happen if we merge everything? >=20 > - We would gain 2.5 years of work yes, thats true if we merge back improvments we gain these improvments, thats always true for every improvment. > - He will change all license headers Everyone who forked can change all license headers 2 years ago, 1 year ago, today, tomorrow, in a year or never. The license one chooses certainly has an impact on them What exact impact does this have on us ? we merge new codecs and filters (that we otherwise do not have) with GPL headers and conditional on --enable-gpl We can still provide every codec or filter where someone made significant improvments under GPL as a seperate filter or codec > - The doors will be closed for all future As i predicted elsewhere privately, I do not belive Paul will return unless his fork fails. The more successfull his fork is, the less likely it is that he will return Also its like 18 months since paul forked and the way he speaks really doesnt sound like he intends to return currently. We have a ship that we need to sail we cant keep looking at a new competitor thats moving ahead hoping he will turn around and join us. We have to accelerate. He will join us when he falls behind not when he is ahead. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB The greatest way to live with honor in this world is to be what we pretend to be. -- Socrates --zwHJ+EkmMXC5C6Dj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABEKAB0WIQSf8hKLFH72cwut8TNhHseHBAsPqwUCaD3DCgAKCRBhHseHBAsP qyLSAKCClv8iAa+9ciOw4mB4qr2zzMefrQCfYy+FmndmPQxUqRqu2AOFkrcBXgE= =KQEk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zwHJ+EkmMXC5C6Dj-- --===============2283519601958645611== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-request@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". --===============2283519601958645611==--