From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org [79.124.17.100]) by master.gitmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7D034D702 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2025 21:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D6668DB35; Mon, 2 Jun 2025 00:31:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (relay6-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.198]) by ffbox0-bg.ffmpeg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1E7368DAB1 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2025 00:31:51 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E02F643A0D for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2025 21:31:50 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=niedermayer.cc; s=gm1; t=1748813511; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=pKDaGt/MIDZwY5bshaGOOEBljm7wsbqT8Ff7a/1HwwI=; b=Ro9yxx3oFPx5HuNqVDxf//9uN3tfkxGyPHPaEQ/pQGaeFWg1znDaxwKtiP02+xtoRqcP8s hBMbRzXQ1vfEyHEPy5L2US3djsTGS8ulsMvf9wpR6qQJ173GuQDtWVAYdNMz8dqT/n497N mzapK16lNN4W7aYcUJ6nnKeShU8BekBfCAaQ0gv6wA2nIMddgHSj9o9ckhGbRq9wGfXm4M hvvQwPXnGuHRtvqyonqEQqwOGokjdctYrAug7FPsKJz1qn8MCu9LT9cJIDp4HvCXl+MQ8o NaoDHf96txYQnJLKfyjr+Vib5FRkMa3a9xrgUQD7kzyJ8Ln9XnlS+6ctUKimwg== Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2025 23:31:49 +0200 From: Michael Niedermayer To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Message-ID: <20250601213149.GX29660@pb2> References: <20250601152222.GU29660@pb2> <7fa92fbb-f6cb-40c1-b95e-3d6a77e6cbcf@gmail.com> <20250601192320.GV29660@pb2> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-GND-State: clean X-GND-Score: -70 X-GND-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeffedrtddtgdefheekkeculddtuddrgeefvddrtddtmdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfitefpfffkpdcuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedtudenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnegfrhhlucfvnfffucdlfedtmdenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkfhggtggujgesghdtreertddtvdenucfhrhhomhepofhitghhrggvlhcupfhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhcuoehmihgthhgrvghlsehnihgvuggvrhhmrgihvghrrdgttgeqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepieegkedtjeduffejhfetgeejtdegteetgfegtdfhjefgvefhteegkeejtddvhfevnecukfhppeeguddrieeirdeijedruddufeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepihhnvghtpeeguddrieeirdeijedruddufedphhgvlhhopehlohgtrghlhhhoshhtpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhhitghhrggvlhesnhhivgguvghrmhgrhigvrhdrtggtpdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopedupdhrtghpthhtohepfhhfmhhpvghgqdguvghvvghlsehffhhmphgvghdrohhrgh X-GND-Sasl: michael@niedermayer.cc Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Cherry picks vs merges X-BeenThere: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6366898116247653747==" Errors-To: ffmpeg-devel-bounces@ffmpeg.org Sender: "ffmpeg-devel" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============6366898116247653747== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2bVAjYSSNHhXRBI+" Content-Disposition: inline --2bVAjYSSNHhXRBI+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi James On Sun, Jun 01, 2025 at 05:01:09PM -0300, James Almer wrote: > On 6/1/2025 4:23 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > Hi James > >=20 > > On Sun, Jun 01, 2025 at 02:27:37PM -0300, James Almer wrote: > > > On 6/1/2025 12:22 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > > > Hi all > > > >=20 > > > > almpeg is now merged upto 1 months ago. (and since last merge it co= ntains > > > > bits of AGPL code) > > > >=20 > > > > The question now is, how does the community want to proceed from he= re? > > > Full stop. > > >=20 > >=20 > > > Not only you're trying to bypass explicit a license notice on > > > technicalities, > >=20 > > This is a serious accusation. > >=20 > > Code is either under the LGPL license or it is not. > > It cannot be sometimes under the LGPL license, the license headers > > on the files in question, distrinbuted by Paul are unmodified > > LGPL headers. There is no extra notice or anything in these headers. > >=20 > > If paul wants them to be GPL he can change these headers at any time. > >=20 > > And the "explicit license notice" you refer to is this: > >=20 > > "All Librempeg modifications, and any new files not available in FFmpeg= , are licensed under GPL v2, > > unless stated otherwise." > >=20 > > And it IS stated otherwise in these files by the license header in these > > files. >=20 > This is the technicality i was talking about. The fact he copy-pasted a > boilerplate LGPL header in all new files being used as a way to invoke the > "unless stated otherwise" part of the notice. >=20 > I'm not against merging his changes, and i apologize if what i said before > sounded like an accusation, but the way i want this to go forward is with > him being ok with it, and not us trying to find a way to workaround what = was > seemingly his intention to license his changes a certain way. If Paul and everyone agrees, of course thats better and I would prefer that= too. But also keep in mind he didnt ask us if he can take our LGPL code. >=20 > >=20 > > That said, with open source and free software it is the morally correct > > thing, if one makes changes to code, to return these changes to the par= ent > > project under the same license as the parent project. > > This is morally the ONLY correct thing one can do. > >=20 > > The technicality is that one can change the LGPL to a GPL or AGPL. > > The purpose of this is allowing to combine LGPL with GPL or AGPL > > NOT to fork a project and prevent the parent project and its users > > from having access to the modifications. > >=20 > > You can listen to some interviews by linus torvalds if you think > > my point here is crazy. > > I will reply to the rest of your mail seperately to keep this from beco= ming > > too long > >=20 > > But one thing id like to mention here, your accusation escalates this > > in a way that could reduce the chance of paul returning. And > > I tried my best and i talked (emailed) with paul in the last days. > > You knew i was working on this and i would have appreciated a private > > message over a public accusation >=20 > Paul showed up on IRC a week or so ago and said you did not email him. If > that changed in the last couple days, why didn't you or him mention it? The dates & subject of the mails i sent to paul: 80754 sF 0527 0:26 To Paul B Mahol (1,4K) Collaboration and Contributions= to FFmpeg 80755 sF 0527 1:42 To Paul B Mahol (1,8K) Re: Collaboration and Contribut= ions to FFmpeg 80757 sF 0527 14:05 To Paul B Mahol (2,6K) Re: Collaboration and Contribut= ions to FFmpeg 80759 sF 0527 15:30 To Paul B Mahol (6,2K) Re: Collaboration and Contribut= ions to FFmpeg 80780 sF 0529 22:15 To Paul B Mahol (2,5K) Re: Collaboration and Contribut= ions to FFmpeg I also received replies from him between these He was pissed that he was not considered / contacted by fflabs. I showed hi= m a small part of a private mail that i sent to jb in 2016. Where paul was #2 of the = people i recommanded for FFlabs. My last mail (only the part i wrote) (and this mail remains unawnsered as o= f today): I cannot read your mind, if there is something that you want, you have to tell me, what you want. One thing i can propose, is that you could become libavfilter subsystem maintainer. This would give you authority in libavfilter. About FFlabs, if you want to join FFlabs, you have to say so. What i can say is, that i will support that and i expect that this request would be successfull. 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